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    1. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

      macrocephalopod Retweeted Benn "DJ D-Vol" Eifert

      This is a nice question -- roughly "What does the futures curve look like for quarterly futures that settle into quarterly GDP % growth estimates"?https://twitter.com/bennpeifert/status/1378192287352557571 …

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      Benn "DJ D-Vol" Eifert @bennpeifert
      Friday night junior derivatives trader interview question. Read the footnotes in the quoted tweet before you mouth off. https://twitter.com/bennpeifert/status/1264542177574584320?s=20 …
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    2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

      Quarterly GDP numbers are not tradable which means there is no cash and carry arbitrage. If you can't trade spot then futures will be priced on three things -- 1. Expectations 2. Seasonality 3. Risk premium

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    3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

      1. and 2. are kind of the same thing, basically "what is your best guess of GDP prints for the next three years?" This depends on long term expectations, seasonal fluctuations, and other factors.

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    4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

      Long term expectations means the futures curve should tend toward whatever the long-run expected growth rate for distant maturities -- we have less information to predict the distant future so we rely more on long-term averages.

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

      There is also strong seasonality in quarterly GDP due to stuff like weather, holidays, seasonal production (e.g. in agriculture) so for example 3rd quarter tends to be less than 4th quarter as people are saving for the holidays in Q3 and spending in Q4.

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        2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          The same seasonality needs to show up in the futures curve too, otherwise you could easily make money by always shorting Q3 (Dec expiry) and buying Q4 (Mar expiry).

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        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          The short end of the curve (first 1-3 expiries) will be strongly affected by "other factors" e.g. everyone knew that Q1 2020 (Jun) was going to be negative and Q2 2020 (Sep) would be *really* negative but that Q3 2020 (Dec) would be really positive.

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        4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          So the curve you end up with, based on expectations only, will be basically anchored to short term expectations for the first three expiries, tend to the long-term average for distant expectations, and have a regular annual seasonality.

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        5. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          Then we need to talk about risk premium. GDP numbers are correlated with things that you can trade, e.g. stocks, interest rates, the dollar, implied volatility. Generally +ve GDP surprises are good for stocks and the dollar, bad for interest rates and implied vol.

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        6. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          Just consider stocks. A +ve GDP surprise is good for stocks, so you expect GDP futures to be somewhat correlated with stocks. That means that GDP futures need to trade at a discount to expectations.

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        7. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          To see why, note that if they traded in line with expectations, you could buy stocks and short GDP futures. In general you expect to make money from stocks and since GDP futs are in line with expectations, you expect to neither make nor lose money on your futures.

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        8. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          If GDP surprises to the upside your stocks will be up and you will lose on your futs. If GDP surprises to the downside your stocks will be down but you will win on your futs. So you have hedged your stock position (reduced the volatility) without a decrease in expected return.

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        9. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          That's a free lunch and the market doesn't allow it for long. Eventually the GDP futs will trade at a discount to expectations, so that shorting them is a -ve expected value trade -- the convergence to spot as the futs mature is what pays for your hedge.

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        10. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          So the final answer is -- the front end of the curve is anchored to short term expectations, has seasonality, and for long expiries it tends toward long-term expectations minus a discount to account for the risk premium. The size of the discount depends on ...

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        11. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          ... the beta of GDP surprises to stocks, interest rates, the dollar, implied volatility, and anything else you can trade which has a risk premium embedded in it.

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        12. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Apr 2021

          macrocephalopod Retweeted macrocephalopod

          Final note -- nothing here is specific to GDP except the particular values for expectations, seasonality, betas etc. Take a look at this thread I did on VIX futures - it's saying exactly the same thing with different words.https://twitter.com/macrocephalopod/status/1366517635433783302?s=20 …

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          macrocephalopod @macrocephalopod
          Feel like I should put some more quant finance content up so ... here is the *absolute minimum* you need to know if you are considering trading VIX futures (or something basically equivalent like VXX or VXZ which are basically a basket of futures)
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