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Replying to @veronica_humble @macrocephalopod
Great point. I’d also argue that most institutional hedge fund LPs are compulsive to gather non-correlated strategies managers (quants) until the jackpot hits. Then they leave. To some extent, all top quant managers experience this after their outlier year of huge + returns.
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Strategies work until they don’t, until it gets arbed out, until the strategy gets flooded with capital, etc. But the best quant managers will find the next big opps - always. Never ever redeem from a top quant fund. You’ll never get back in again & you’ll regret it.
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Replying to @KeyserSozeBro1 @macrocephalopod
Unless of course top quant funds have issues of their own. And I'm not sure about "always" :) but yes, gathering uncorrelated strategies makes sense, as well as assuming a short longevity for the working ones
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Replying to @veronica_humble @macrocephalopod
1 trick ponies are self evident. They present that way, they present as narrow specialists & there’s no mystery for the LPs that they’re done when the strategy sunsets, e.g. merger arb in late 90s, convert arb in early 2000s. I consider elite vol generalists to be evergreen.
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Replying to @KeyserSozeBro1 @veronica_humble
I agree with this except I would say “big multi strats” instead of “big quant funds”. If you are doing equity l/s, fixed income rv, vol arb, convert arb etc as well as quant you have a much more diversified revenue stream and better opportunities to pivot when one stops working.
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Where are people drawing the line on what is and isn't a "quant fund" these days?
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Replying to @macrocephalopod @therobotjames and
I often hear Citadel referred to as a quant fund which is not strictly accurate (lots of discretionary traders) but not completely inaccurate (lots of quant all over the place, eg to hedge factors in their long/short book or in the central risk book).
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Replying to @macrocephalopod @therobotjames and
Funds like Brevan and Rokos have big quant teams even though the main strategy is clearly not quant (got to build those curves and price those derivatives) and I hear they are looking more at systematic nowadays.
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Millennium is even further from quant than Citadel but again moving in that direction, they recently hired Ross Garon from Point72 (where he ran their internal quant fund Cubist)
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Replying to @macrocephalopod @therobotjames and
Interesting, I thought millenium had a fair degree of systematic macro. Also former Rentec russian PMs guys there.
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Replying to @PmQuant @therobotjames and
Yeah I don’t mean that they have no quant (they have billions managed by WQ for a start!) just that all the quant is stuffed into specific trading teams, unlike Citadel where it seems like it touches ~everything.
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