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    1. Robot James  🤖 🏖‏ @therobotjames 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @breakingthemark @edwin_teejay and

      Cos stock price processes are pretty much martingales and their past returns don't really predict their future returns. This is indexing 101

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    2. Matt Hollerbach‏ @breakingthemark 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @therobotjames @edwin_teejay and

      But a stock could go from $5.20 to $4.80 and then back to $5.20, and instead of showing a flat geometric return and a positive arithmetic return, you just have an 8% loss in your data and not the 8.3% gain.

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    3. Robot James  🤖 🏖‏ @therobotjames 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @breakingthemark @edwin_teejay and

      Yeah and a bunch of equally probable unpredictable things could also happen to all the stocks that go in and out of the index.

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    4. Matt Hollerbach‏ @breakingthemark 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @therobotjames @edwin_teejay and

      Its a one way problem isn't it? How often does a stock rise in price and then get dropped from the index for a stock that just fell in price?

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    5. Robot James  🤖 🏖‏ @therobotjames 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @breakingthemark @edwin_teejay and

      Stocks that get removed tend to be those that have decreased in market cap. Stocks that get added tend to be those that have increased. I'm unclear why you think this is a form of performance bias in the index.

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    6. Robot James  🤖 🏖‏ @therobotjames 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @therobotjames @breakingthemark and

      To bias the performance of the index you would need to believe that the stocks being added would have different future expected returns than the stocks being removed.

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    7. Matt Hollerbach‏ @breakingthemark 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @therobotjames @edwin_teejay and

      This isn't about the index its about the performance of the individual stock. If a stock falls below $5 and then comes back above it later, your data set does not include the gain the stock received. I the above example, your data says stock lost 8%. In real life it was flat.

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    8. Matt Hollerbach‏ @breakingthemark 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @breakingthemark @therobotjames and

      That's a bias because there is no way for the opposite to occur. And this isn't about momentum or mean reversion, its just about randomness.

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    9. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @breakingthemark @therobotjames and

      There’s no bias. The data doesn’t include moves from $4.80 to $5.20 but it also doesn’t include equally likely moves from $4.80 to $4.40. Adding or dropping stocks based on their past price moves can’t introduce a bias unless future price moves are correlated with past moves.

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    10. Matt Hollerbach‏ @breakingthemark 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @therobotjames and

      If you drop stock because it fell, and add a stock because it rose, then there is a bias in the data you collected. There will be more losses than gains in the data because you added it into your set after that happened.

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Mar 2021
      Replying to @breakingthemark @therobotjames and

      No, absolutely not. If you drop *future* observations after a fall or add *future* observations after a rise, there is no bias. It would induce a bias if you didn’t include the -ve return that took a stock below $5, or you *did* include the +ve return that took it above $5.

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        2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @breakingthemark and

          Honestly this is time series 101, it is incredibly basic.

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        3. Top ticker‏ @clear_as_tar 17 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @breakingthemark and

          If you were holding this stock only, would your portfolio not reflect the return below 5? If it did, shouldn’t those observations count towards the avg daily return over your lifetime ownership ?

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        1. Freak0naut‏ @FREAK0NAUT 17 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @breakingthemark and

          i think he's just saying the index is implicitly momentum biased

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        2. Matt Hollerbach‏ @breakingthemark 17 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @therobotjames and

          Ok this is getting ridiculous. Here is the coin flip game. Flip a coin and gain 10% on heads, lose 10% on tails. Your going to do ten flips in a row. The real data series is all 10 flips. The sample data series is only the flips after a heads.

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        3. Matt Hollerbach‏ @breakingthemark 17 Mar 2021
          Replying to @breakingthemark @macrocephalopod and

          The real data series mathematically should be higher on average than sample data series. Repeat that game many times, and the average difference always favors the real data series. Always. Go try it.

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