More volatility is easy to find. It just requires leverage.
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I see, so you will increase leverage to get the desired volatility, and then decrease leverage to get the desired returns?
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why would you decrease leverage to get the desired returns?
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The whole point of “volatility pumping” is that an asset with zero geometric return can be made to have positive geometric return if you reduce the leverage. My claim is that you can’t find assets with high enough volatility for that to be interesting in practice.
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That is a very simplistic view of what vol pumping is. Vol pumping isn't abut an asset with zero geo return, its just the most eye catching type. There are plenty of articles on vol pumping where cash isn't involved, and the "pumping" is just between a bunch of risky assets.
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This is exactly the same as saying that by diversifying you can reduce the volatility drag of a portfolio of assets, right? ie “diversification is the only free lunch in investing”.
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Replying to @macrocephalopod @breakingthemark and
These buzzwords/terms just describe the general trading problem we're all familiar with don't they? If you find a stable (Geo mean = 0) noisy thing you can trade deviations from it. Where do I find this stable noisy thing? Well, indeed.
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Exactly. Everything here is either trivial (ie diversification improves geometric returns) or not relevant to the real world (finding 50% daily vol assets and “pumping” them)
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Replying to @macrocephalopod @therobotjames and
Ok, well if you're expecting to find a practical Sharpe 3 strategy for free on Twitter or something like that, sorry to disappoint! :-)
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Replying to @goldstein_aa @therobotjames and
macrocephalopod Retweeted Adam Goldstein
The entire point of my thread is that it’s hard to make money trading. I’m not the one who brought up “volatility pumping” or said you could use it to become “incredibly rich”. It is not weird to point out that is as best marginally useful in the real world!https://twitter.com/goldstein_aa/status/1370887341750038528 …
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Adam Goldstein @goldstein_aaReplying to @macrocephalopod @breakingthemark @zzzrrrzzz12Sometimes the real world feels insane. If you generated completely random zero-mean R and *multiplied* (1+R) by itself repeatedly - you'd have complete noise that you could become incredibly rich off of. Sorry, but it's true. Don't kill the messenger.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
To be clear “marginally useful” is still useful! Do I believe in diversification? Of course. Do I rebalance my personal account to roughly equal risk allocations? Yes. Do I think this is amazing and feel the need to comment in unrelated threads about it? Obviously not.
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