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    1. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @goldstein_aa @zzzrrrzzz12 @breakingthemark

      That's not what we were talking about? I only ever mentioned arithmetic mean zero. You challenged that, then later realized you were wrong and retracted - fine. Some other guy continued to push his wrong idea, so I simulated it to show it was wrong.

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    2. Adam Goldstein‏ @goldstein_aa 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @zzzrrrzzz12 @breakingthemark

      Well, look at your tweet thread: "Here's a quick primer on how to build a quant reversion strategy. First step is to find a price series that...may have some reverting behaviour -- this ... looks reasonable but you could use an ETF, currency, whatever really."...

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    3. Adam Goldstein‏ @goldstein_aa 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @goldstein_aa @macrocephalopod and

      Your tweet clearly implied that in order to make money there has to be some predictable behavior like mean reversion (or trend, presumably). But that's not true - a stock that wanders aimlessly with NOISE with a geomean multiplier of 1, so it goes nowhere - could make you rich.

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    4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @goldstein_aa @zzzrrrzzz12 @breakingthemark

      I agree with that!* I have never disagreed with it! I didn't bring up shannon's demon -- I only pointed out that it doesn't work on price series that have zero arithmetic return (which is true of the price series I was using).

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    5. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @goldstein_aa and

      The * is there because this only works in theory (in reality transaction and financing costs would eat all your pnl) and only for certain definitions of "very rich" -- in practice you would need to compound for dozens of years to become rich, even if you had no txn costs.

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    6. Adam Goldstein‏ @goldstein_aa 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @zzzrrrzzz12 @breakingthemark

      Well, you're clearly making some assumptions on the (1+R) noise multiplier with geomean=1. If it's highly volatile noise, you could get rich as as fast as Rentech did with Medallion. And it's just random noise!

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    7. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @goldstein_aa @zzzrrrzzz12 @breakingthemark

      Yes I'm assuming it's similar to real-world stocks. If you took Bitcoin with 100% annualized vol you would only have a Sharpe of 0.5 so you need to compound for 16 years to be 95% sure of profit. For a stock with 50% vol you need to compound for 64 years to be 95% sure.

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    8. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @goldstein_aa and

      Shannon's original example used 50% vol for each period -- if we assume that a period is one day, the asset in his example would be 8x more volatile than Bitcoin (!)

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    9. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @goldstein_aa and

      I honestly don't know what the point of these arguments is. Yes, there are some theoretical models where you can make money arbitrarily fast if you assume completely fantastical parameters and ignore all real-world frictions. How is this supposed to be helpful?

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    10. Adam Goldstein‏ @goldstein_aa 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @zzzrrrzzz12 @breakingthemark

      I've just always been fascinated with volatility pumping because it seems like you can mint money out of think air. You take an asset that's randomly bouncing around - with no mean reversion or trend, so no predictability - yet you can get rich if it's volatile enough.

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @goldstein_aa @zzzrrrzzz12 @breakingthemark

      It is an interesting theoretical model, but if you spend more than a few minutes thinking about it, it obviously has absolutely zero real world application. Also, volatility drag is a completely normal, boring part of standard quantitative finance that everyone knows about ...

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        2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @goldstein_aa and

          ... so it's very weird to me that people refer back to Shannon's original paper and call it "volatility pumping" as if they are pointing out something that most people are unaware of. Just solve the SDE for geometric brownian motion, it's right there!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_Brownian_motion#Solving_the_SDE …

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        3. Adam Goldstein‏ @goldstein_aa 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @zzzrrrzzz12 @breakingthemark

          Yes, I agree it's a fundamental part of quant finance - the Ito correction term. I'm not claiming it's something most competent quants don't know about, it's just something I find interesting and that most non-quants don't know about.

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