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    1. Cem Karsan  🥐‏ @jam_croissant 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @FREAK0NAUT @nope_its_lily

      It’s not about margin requirements. Those are essentially equal. It’s about cost of carry. 2 distinctly different things.

      2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
    2. Freak0naut‏ @FREAK0NAUT 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jam_croissant @nope_its_lily

      Ok what is responsible for the difference in cost of carry?

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    3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @FREAK0NAUT @jam_croissant @nope_its_lily

      If I buy futures I am effectively long stock financed at wherever the lending rate clears (in practice ~LIBOR). If I buy SPY I need to get financing from my broker, who will charge me ~LIBOR + spread. The spread is responsible for the cost of carry difference.

      1 reply 6 retweets 52 likes
    4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @FREAK0NAUT and

      Every derivative introduces a new parameter required to price it in a model, and the derivative becomes a way to trade that parameter. In the case of options the parameter is implied volatility. For futures/forwards the parameter is the basis (~dividends minus financing)

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    5. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @FREAK0NAUT and

      Prob silly Q, but why cant you use cash to buy SPY? Why would you need financing from broker? Very insightful. Broker spread drives cost of carry. Anything that offsets the benefit of futures? Since they have certain risk SPY itself lacks right?

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    6. Cem Karsan  🥐‏ @jam_croissant 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @macrocephalopod and

      Imagine a scenario where you are a Mm and you have $100 million and your portfolio margining is only $100 million but your long SpY position was $1billion and your short futures position (or combo) was short notional $1 Billion, you still need ‘Cash’ to fund the spy

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    7. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jam_croissant @macrocephalopod and

      I see, so basically it's better to avoid using cash when possible, since it may be needed as collateral / margin for other positions (like futures, which can be a more efficient way to express a trade), assuming Im following

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    8. Cem Karsan  🥐‏ @jam_croissant 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @macrocephalopod and

      Collateral is different than financing.

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    9. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jam_croissant @macrocephalopod and

      Ah true, Im a little tripped up here. So I think scenario is: You have 100mil in cash, &100mil in borrowed $ (margin) You are long 1bil of SPY, which costs 1bil You are short 1bil notional of SPYfut, which costs the futures margin From here Im a bit lost.

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    10. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @jam_croissant and

      It sounds like total funds to use are 200mil. The cost of the futures position is Z. So we only have (200mil - Z) left to cover the stock position, but thats not enough cuz it costs 1bil. Is that why we need broker financing?

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @jam_croissant and

      Essentially yeah. Stocks (including ETFs) are cash instruments, when you buy them *someone* needs to hand over cash in exchange. If you do it on margin, that just means your broker is handing over the cash and charging you for it (effectively they are lending you the cash).

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        2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 9 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @M1tchRosenthal and

          Futures are a derivative, not a cash instrument, when you enter the futures position no cash immediately changes hands (other than margin) because the value of the futures contract at the point you enter it is zero.

          1 reply 0 retweets 24 likes
        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 9 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @M1tchRosenthal and

          Say margin is 5% on both stocks and futures. You have $100m. You go long $1bn of SPY and short $1bn of ES futures. You put down $50m of margin with your broker to cover risk on the SPY position and $50m with the exchange to cover risk on the ES futures.

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        2. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 9 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @jam_croissant and

          Brilliant thank you! Last Q - if you were to run a study comparing the "easiness" of money access, to returns in various things, what yield or rate spreads would you use? FedFunds - 1month treasury? 3mthLibor-overnightLibor?

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        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 9 Mar 2021
          Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @jam_croissant and

          All of these can be useful depending on the context. It used to be common to look at the TED spread (3M LIBOR minus 3M treasury bill) which is a spread between a rate which includes a credit component and a rate which doesn't.

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        2. Thread Reader App‏ @threadreaderapp 9 Mar 2021
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          Hi, please find the unroll here: @M1tchRosenthal @jam_croissant @FREAK0NAUT @nope_its_lily Essentially… https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1369358602641813506.html … Talk to you soon. 🤖

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        1. GlypGamma‏ @GammaGlyp 9 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @M1tchRosenthal and

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