Do market makers in practice really hedge SPX and ES options in SPY or does the reverse occur often?
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Replying to @nope_its_lily
Only hedge at the last minute when they need too. And IMO
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Replying to @CHUCKG73
That would be... very consistent with my data findings
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Replying to @nope_its_lily @CHUCKG73
SPY is a significantly smaller size than futures and SPX options. I’m sure you could find a contact at a bank that would confirm directly. SPY is truly a retail product, no one ever trades it on an institutional level.
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SPY is a teeny tiny child next to ES futures (approximately 1/10th of the volume)
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Futures by 10x (screen shot below), you need to take into account the futures multiplier and think in terms of value traded, not volume.pic.twitter.com/WGhtpNiTSo
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Congratulations on figuring out what he meant, I wasn’t able to!
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Wonder if value traded here is a good metric. The reason being the true metric for setting price is the price impact, which I'm guessing differs per share/unit on ES/SPY.
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No, they would have the same price impact (for a large enough order) since the mkt maker can hedge their SPY position with ES or vice versa — they are very closely related markets!
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For a small order you will probably trade more cheaply in SPY due to odd lots, pride improvement etc (although kind of moot since you can’t really do a “small order” in ES, min notional about $190k)
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