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    1. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 8 Mar 2021

      Do market makers in practice really hedge SPX and ES options in SPY or does the reverse occur often?

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    2. VEGASCHARK‏ @CHUCKG73 8 Mar 2021
      Replying to @nope_its_lily

      Only hedge at the last minute when they need too. And IMO $SPY controls everything these days. At least the options do.

      3 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    3. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 8 Mar 2021
      Replying to @CHUCKG73

      That would be... very consistent with my data findings

      3 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    4. Simcoe‏ @Simcoe__ 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @nope_its_lily @CHUCKG73

      SPY is a significantly smaller size than futures and SPX options. I’m sure you could find a contact at a bank that would confirm directly. SPY is truly a retail product, no one ever trades it on an institutional level.

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    5. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @Simcoe__ @nope_its_lily @CHUCKG73

      SPY is a teeny tiny child next to ES futures (approximately 1/10th of the volume)

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    6. VEGASCHARK‏ @CHUCKG73 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @Simcoe__ @nope_its_lily

      Maybe 1/10 the price but just from casual observation $SPY volume is greater than 10x the $SPX volume. So which has greater control?

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    7. Simcoe‏ @Simcoe__ 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @CHUCKG73 @macrocephalopod @nope_its_lily

      Futures by 10x (screen shot below), you need to take into account the futures multiplier and think in terms of value traded, not volume.pic.twitter.com/WGhtpNiTSo

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 9 Mar 2021
      Replying to @Simcoe__ @CHUCKG73 @nope_its_lily

      Congratulations on figuring out what he meant, I wasn’t able to!

      8:54 AM - 9 Mar 2021
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        2. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 9 Mar 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @Simcoe__ @CHUCKG73

          Wonder if value traded here is a good metric. The reason being the true metric for setting price is the price impact, which I'm guessing differs per share/unit on ES/SPY.

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        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 9 Mar 2021
          Replying to @nope_its_lily @Simcoe__ @CHUCKG73

          No, they would have the same price impact (for a large enough order) since the mkt maker can hedge their SPY position with ES or vice versa — they are very closely related markets!

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