Do market makers in practice really hedge SPX and ES options in SPY or does the reverse occur often?
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Replying to @nope_its_lily
All index options are hedged in es. Carrying stock is capital inefficient, more expensive to trade, and less liquid.
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Replying to @jam_croissant @nope_its_lily
so it takes more capital for you too? i'd assumed spy shares and options had the same capital requirements for institutions
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Replying to @FREAK0NAUT @nope_its_lily
It’s not about margin requirements. Those are essentially equal. It’s about cost of carry. 2 distinctly different things.
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Replying to @jam_croissant @nope_its_lily
Ok what is responsible for the difference in cost of carry?
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If I buy futures I am effectively long stock financed at wherever the lending rate clears (in practice ~LIBOR). If I buy SPY I need to get financing from my broker, who will charge me ~LIBOR + spread. The spread is responsible for the cost of carry difference.
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Replying to @macrocephalopod @FREAK0NAUT and
Every derivative introduces a new parameter required to price it in a model, and the derivative becomes a way to trade that parameter. In the case of options the parameter is implied volatility. For futures/forwards the parameter is the basis (~dividends minus financing)
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Replying to @macrocephalopod @FREAK0NAUT and
Prob silly Q, but why cant you use cash to buy SPY? Why would you need financing from broker? Very insightful. Broker spread drives cost of carry. Anything that offsets the benefit of futures? Since they have certain risk SPY itself lacks right?
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Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @FREAK0NAUT and
The delta you need to hedge may be larger than your unencumbered cash balance (plus you are probably not just trading one market, there will be many demands on the same $ of capital -- if at a bank, your desk will get charged by treasury for its capital usage)
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The way that every place I have been at worked was that all cash not required for exchange or broker margin was invested in treasuries and/or money market funds, and leverage was obtained via derivatives, broker financing or repo.
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