All of those are completely consistent with markets being random! It just means that simple random models (like gbm) do not sufficiently capture observed market behaviour.
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Mandelbrot proposed a fractal model of markets based on taking a cartoon stock price chart and randomly replicating it on smaller and smaller scales (like how you can build any other fractal, but with random instead of deterministic replications).
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This market model has fat tails, heteroskedasticity and long-range dependence, but it is still largely random! Mandelbrot did *not* show that markets are not random. He offered an alternative kind of randomness that matched observed data better than gbm.
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The fractal model of markets never caught on because it was too hard to make it practical for the kind of thing that practitioners cared about — i.e. the pricing and hedging of large derivatives books. We developed more practical models that solved the problem in a different way,
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largely local volatility and later stochastic volatility models which explicitly build in time-varying volatility and hence generate fat tails and heteroskedasticity. Like all models they are wrong, but unlike the fractal model, they are useful.
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That’s all I have to say about it really. Mandelbrot was not wrong, in fact he was ahead of his time — but his research led in an unproductive direction. The fetishisation of his ideas that has cropped up in the last 10-15 years is weird and I attribute it mostly to people who
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have read “fooled by randomness” or “the black swan” once and largely failed to understand them
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ok so its weird because i read all three of these books in 2007-2008 and my lasting influence was to change how i measure “time”. theta time, variance time, volume time etc (the latter not being viable post HFT)
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maybe its because i am a dumb when it comes to fancy math (me no like greek letters, me like long descriptive variable names and code) but hey, books are what we get out of them in the long run.
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This makes total sense! The amount of movement you see in stock prices over a given period is a function of (variance x elapsed time). To match reality one of those needs to expand/contract dynamically, which either leads to stochastic vol or tick time/volume time models.
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Totally plausible that different approaches are better suited for different applications, e.g. stochastic vol for derivatives pricing/hedging and volume time for trading. Most HFT strategies I am aware of use volume time/tick time/event time or something like it.
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a model with a fast variance clock is just a model on conditional heteroskedasticity its the same thing varying a different dimension right? so its all about which dimension we choose to derivate for. its an n-dimensional world, we just live in it
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