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    1. econ_quant_vol‏ @QuantVol 17 Feb 2021

      Can someone explain the "vanna decay" story? I am looking for something at least somewhat logically consistent (not even asking for a model cause I gave up on that).

      5 replies 4 retweets 32 likes
    2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Feb 2021
      Replying to @QuantVol

      Not saying I believe in it but I thought the theory was reasonably straightforward? Like, if dealers are long vanna then increasing vol means their delta goes up so they sell shares to hedge, decreasing vol means they buy shares. Vice versa if they are short vanna.

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Feb 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @QuantVol

      So long vanna positions are inherently destabilising for negatively skewed assets (since increasing vol normally goes along with share price falling) and short vanna is stabilising. Vice versa for positively skewed assets.

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    4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Feb 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @QuantVol

      I don’t think anyone claims that the dynamic is the primary cause of moves in the underlying, rather than the hedging either suppresses or exacerbates moves that happen for some other reason.

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    5. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Feb 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @QuantVol

      Possibly you are asking about something else since you used the phrase “vanna decay” which I am not familiar with?

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Feb 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @QuantVol

      People refer to this stuff as “gamma hedging” or “vanna hedging” which is very unhelpful, since no gamma or vanna exposure is being hedged. It’s just sensitivities of delta to moves in spot or implied volatility.

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        2. econ_quant_vol‏ @QuantVol 17 Feb 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod

          Ok, thanks, not exactly my question but to your point: can you walk me through a "verbal" impulse response functions and tell me some identifying assumption to belive the vanna hedging *causes* prices to go down. Suppose we start from an equilibrium. What is the causality story?

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        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Feb 2021
          Replying to @QuantVol

          It would be something like “implied vol goes up” (because someone buys options or whatever, doesn’t matter) which means dealer delta increases (assuming they are long vanna) which means they need to hedge by selling spot, and selling spot causes the price to go down.

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        1. Freak0naut‏ @FREAK0NAUT 17 Feb 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @QuantVol

          I think he's specifically referring to put hedges unwinding due to charm and vanna as position approaches expiration / vol contracts

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