Hey man, I’m afraid you’re wrong on this. When there is strong demand for UVXY shares they start to trade slightly above NAV. That incentives APs to buy VIX futures in the market and deliver them to the ETN sponsor in exchange for shares of UVXY which they can then
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Replying to @macrocephalopod @Ksidiii
sell for a profit (at the higher-than-NAV price). The AP activity (buying VIX futs, selling UVXY) pushes up the prices of VIX futures and pushes down the price of UVXY but because UVXY started off at a premium, the net effect is that the prices of both VIX futures and
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Replying to @macrocephalopod @Ksidiii
UVXY are higher than they were before the process started. Demand for ETN shares pushes up the price of the constituents in exactly the same way that demand for ETF shares pushes up the price of the constituents (or demand for stocks increases stock prices etc)
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Replying to @macrocephalopod
Few things, the share creation process doesn’t make this as reflexive, the APs soaking to move it to the value kinda stops that dynamic + APs aren’t forced to keep that matched book the same way MMs are. It’s a completely different dynamic.
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Replying to @Ksidiii
Just think about what happens when 1 unit of UVXY is bought and you go through an AP share creation cycle. The original purchase of UVXY nets out because the AP sells a share, so no impact there. You are left with a purchase of 1.5x VIX futures, that is what causes px to go up.
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Replying to @macrocephalopod
The APs don’t have to necessarily keep a matched book so that VX future being bought isn’t a guarantee... ya know. On top of that the APs are going against the prevailing price (if demand is high they are coming to force this down).... + share creation dilutes the reflexivity
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Replying to @Ksidiii @macrocephalopod
This process isn’t really a cascading gamma effect the way how a supply & demand driven asset that needs to be hedged by MMs generally operate, ya know. That IV price is really the goal of the AP, which isn’t bound to the strongholds or keeping a pure “matched book”
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Replying to @Ksidiii @macrocephalopod
learning a lot here, anything you suggest reading to learn more about authorized participants for these types of products?
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Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @macrocephalopod
Uhhhh i don’t know anything off the top of my head besides Vance’s work...(which I’m a fan of) He talks about this process a bit here https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/3012686-how-does-uvxy-work …
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Note that the prospectus for UVXY changed since that was written (after events of Feb 2018) and IVXY is now 1.5x levered rather than 2x — essentially to minimise the chance of having to wind down the product if BIX futures had a -50% day
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