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    1. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 19 Mar 2020

      But their knock-in gets, well, knocked-in. So they have protection that covers that $2.50 shortfall. *phew*. Now comes the interesting part. Crodeet Swish tells joe they’re sorry but they will now liquidate his XYZ and he should surrender his shares of the for a residual payment

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    2. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 19 Mar 2020

      Residual payment? Where did that come from?! Remember the knock-in we didn’t account for before? Well, it’s way way up in price, so joe probably will get like $0.50-$1.00 back. But, uhm, who sold the knock in? They’re probably pretty displeased by this scenario. Not great, bob.

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    3. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 19 Mar 2020

      Enter Dealer Z (tad niche). Dealer Z is an options dealer and market maker, and they regularly sell these options, but they hedge, they’re not in the business of betting on ABC direction, just making markets. So, the knock-in goes from having effectively a zero delta to 50+ delta

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    4. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 19 Mar 2020

      Dealer Z does the rational thing and hedges as soon as they’re knocked in (IRL options pros: I know I’m simplifying but why are you even reading this) by selling $50 ABC ($200, minus a 50% loss, times 50 delta). But hey, the market is thin and crashing it just went -35% in a day

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    5. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 19 Mar 2020

      liquidity is terrible, why are they doing this? Well, they have to. Won’t it cause the price of ABC to crash further? Yes. And the faster it crashes the more Dealer Z (who is now short gamma) has to sell. This is often how those crazy moves you see near market bottoms happen.

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    6. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 19 Mar 2020

      Anyways: Crodeet Swish and Dealer Z come to an arrangement, net their positions out, and the residual gets paid to Joe. It’s over.

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    7. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 19 Mar 2020

      Postscript 1: This is why I don’t subscribe to narratives of “capitulation” or “retail throwing in the towel” or “mass panic”. None of what happened is affective in nature, all of it is just a necessity of the structure of that market under a particular set of conditions.

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    8. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 19 Mar 2020

      Post Script 2: If John had bought a 3x note before Joe bought his 2x, John’s would have knocked-in first, and the hedging by Dealer Z could have caused the price to move lower and knock-in Joe’s. This is what a cascading crash or waterfall market is, in effect. It’s all mechanics

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    9. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 19 Mar 2020

      Post Script 3: Dealer Z may not have wanted the risk, so Crodeet Swish could have had to find an alternative buyer for it by structuring it so that the premium was paid as a coupon to someone willing to take that risk. This called “tail risk recycling” see also: autocalls. Fin.

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    10. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Feb 2021
      Replying to @NewRiverInvest

      This is a v interesting thread but 1 thing I don’t get — how is a knock-in put where the barrier is between the strike and the current price any different from a regular put? The prx must go thru the barrier on its way to the strike, if it expires ITM it must have been knocked in

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Feb 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @NewRiverInvest

      OK I can see that they are different of the option is American rather than European, is that what you are getting at when you say the knock in is cheaper?

      2:13 AM - 12 Feb 2021
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        2. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 12 Feb 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod

          its cheaper in $ terms because its contingent. its a parlay so its an binary option on a vanilla European option. “yo, i heard you like options so i sold you an option on an option, bro.”

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        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Feb 2021
          Replying to @NewRiverInvest

          someone should package this as an ETF and call it $XZBT, I predict lots of retail interest

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