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    1. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 11 Feb 2021

      A wrong belief that many otherwise smart people have is that index funds are “momentum investors” i.e. they mechanically buy more as prices rise and sell when prices fall (example from Bill Ackman’s 2015 investor letter below and I saw this *twice* in unrelated threads today).pic.twitter.com/rntUJjob2V

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    2. Adam Tkaczuk‏ @Adam_Tkaczuk 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod

      I believe the argument is that fund flows into index products creates the momentum effect. Once the funds reside in a cap weighted index fund, no further rebalancing is required, unless a company falls out/into the index.

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Feb 2021
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      I haven't seen a persuasive argument that creates *relative* momentum. New flows will buy the same percentage of every company's float, regardless of their price, all else equal it will affect their prices equally.

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        2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Feb 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @Adam_Tkaczuk

          Obviously if price rises in the index beget flows then it can create *absolute* momentum in the index, but that is a very different claim, that couldn't explain the rapid price rises of TSLA or GME compared to other stocks in the index.

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        3. Like I’m On Fire [a-zA-Z]‏ @likeimonfire 12 Feb 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @Adam_Tkaczuk

          For a thought experiment. Imagine Apple1 and Apple2 are the same company with the same number of shares outstanding, but different market cap. By chance Apple1 is 5% of SPX, while Apple2 is 2% of SPX. Now passive fund investors are going to be buying 5% of one, 2% of the other.

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        2. DarioG‏ @dariox93 19 Feb 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @Adam_Tkaczuk

          Have a look at "liquidity cascades" paper. It has a nice chapter about how investors shifting from active to passive can create Momentum in large cap stocks.

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        3. DarioG‏ @dariox93 19 Feb 2021
          Replying to @dariox93 @macrocephalopod @Adam_Tkaczuk

          P.s. I totally agree with your thread btw.

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