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    1. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @nope_its_lily @macrocephalopod and

      It doesn't change the trackingness much from what I remember, although in the context of the hypothesis it makes no sense.

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    2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @nope_its_lily @QuantVol and

      if you update delta when spot moves, then spot lower => nope lower and spot higher => nope higher, right? hence “it’s a measure of intraday price movement”

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    3. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @QuantVol and

      Not particularly, no. There's some tracking sure for options closely near the strike and on opex days, but in general NOPE's movement is largely dictated by incoming trades, which do not move in such a linear way.

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    4. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @nope_its_lily @macrocephalopod and

      It'd be a bit silly to think that the net delta each day is being set by how the spot moves, and we have fairly ample existing data + observational data to reject that.

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    5. BraisedInBlue‏ @InBraised 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @nope_its_lily @macrocephalopod and

      Well I think the is a proportional relationship between delta and spot, so there should always be a high correlation between deltaNope and deltaPrice. That is where price tracking occurs, however the raw Nope value, sometimes diverges from the price movement or can lead/lag

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    6. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @InBraised @nope_its_lily and

      I mean I’m looking at the chart of nope and stock price and it is just incredibly obvious to me that nope and stock price are 95%+ correlated. Do you not see that?pic.twitter.com/yT4BRtLfYi

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    7. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @InBraised and

      My only claim is that the main thing causing nope to move up and down is the stock price. The option flows are a second-order effect.

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    8. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @InBraised and

      Oh, I have no idea if there's causation here, but all I know so far is: - yes there is correlation - yes it does generate alpha forward and backward - yes it seems to imply what's predicted in the reversion hypothesis (higher chance of reversion at higher NOPE magnitude)

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    9. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @nope_its_lily @macrocephalopod and

      You could potentially argue that delta is flowing due to the stock price moving, but that doesn't really impact the underlying reversion hypothesis. NOPE is clearly not measuring SPY price moving.

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    10. BraisedInBlue‏ @InBraised 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @nope_its_lily @macrocephalopod and

      I believe this is why deltaNope has a high correlation with deltaPrice.

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 22 Jan 2021
      Replying to @InBraised @nope_its_lily and

      My *entire* point is that deltaNope has a high correlation with deltaPrice — that’s what it means to say that the change in stock price is driving the change in nope, or that “nope measures intraday price movement”.

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        2. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 22 Jan 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @InBraised and

          That's saying there's a causal and reverse relationship between the two, which isn't really substantiated by what we've found or the data we have. There's a bit more evidence to imply the opposite causal relationship, and that explanation doesn't really explain why

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        3. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 22 Jan 2021
          Replying to @nope_its_lily @macrocephalopod and

          NOPE tends to reverse in a predictable way.

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        1. BraisedInBlue‏ @InBraised 22 Jan 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @nope_its_lily and

          There are times where it diverges, but with the way I calculated the correlation, it’s never enough data points to make a sizable dent in the correlation coefficient

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        2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 22 Jan 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @InBraised and

          Would love to get to the bottom of this, I feel like we’re talking past each other. Happy to explain what I mean, with data, if you dm.

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        3. BraisedInBlue‏ @InBraised 22 Jan 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @nope_its_lily and

          Well I think part of the misunderstanding is the way NOPE is used to trade. It’s used as a mean reversion indicator, so while it correlates while it correlates w/ price movement, we use it to try to predict when to STFR and BTFD

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