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I design and build things. Mostly software, sometimes furniture, and a few small buildings once.

Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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    1. Kevin Lynagh‏ @lynaghk Aug 27

      Notes on designing tables of relational data for presentation: https://kevinlynagh.com/notes/2018-08-25-relational-tables/ … I.e., what would a "grammar of graphics for tables" enable? Y'all know of any good prior art in this space? /cc @hadley @scheidegger

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    2. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Aug 27
      Replying to @lynaghk @Hadley

      Deep question - no quick takes from me, I’ll have to think about it

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    3. Kevin Lynagh‏ @lynaghk Aug 27
      Replying to @scheidegger @Hadley

      Sorry to bother you @hadley, I meant to cc @hadleywickham. (Though still open to your thoughts if you happen to be into table design...)

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    4. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Aug 27
      Replying to @lynaghk @hadleywickham

      Some thoughts - I think this is a fundamentally harder problem than that of a grammar of graphics, because tables are _less_ constrained than graphics.

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    5. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Aug 27
      Replying to @scheidegger @lynaghk @hadleywickham

      You mentioned ordering towards the end of your piece, and I think that the difficulty ordering brings is at the hard of the matter: it's a forced choice that has got nothing to do with data. Tabular presentations are rife with this.

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    6. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Aug 27
      Replying to @scheidegger @lynaghk @hadleywickham

      I think the best guess at a minimal place to make progress is to try and figure out natural ways to present grouping (which you might be able to infer from hierarchical foreign keys induced by multiple joins, etc). Unfortunately, ...

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    7. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Aug 27
      Replying to @scheidegger @lynaghk @hadleywickham

      I think you'll ultimately need a system that knows a lot about the relational model in order to make progress. The DB people smarter than me might like the challenge, though. @sirrice, @arnabdotorg, @adityagp ?

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      Kevin Lynagh‏ @lynaghk Aug 28
      Replying to @scheidegger @hadleywickham and

      Agreed, that's why I think it might be most productive to start in the context of Alloy. Re: ordering, there are at least two "free" dimensions: that of individual rows (atoms), as well as the hierarchical order of nested joins.

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