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Prof at Minnesota, Human-Computer Interaction, Social Computing.

Minneapolis, MN
www-users.cs.umn.edu/~terveen/
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    1. Peter Desnoyers‏ @PjdPeter 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @lorenterveen @KenoFischer and

      I would argue that the IRB, as a legal requirement, should be considered a minimum rather than a gold standard by the people in the broader research community who judge the work. By that I mean program committees, not colleagues.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @PjdPeter @KenoFischer and

      This is an important point. This has been the topic of intense discussion in the ACM SIGCHI community for a number of years. Should PCs 'override' standard ethical reviews? Under what circumstances? There are strong opinions on this! @asbruckman might have thoughts...

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Amy Bruckman‏ @asbruckman 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @lorenterveen @PjdPeter and

      The key challenge for program committees is that standards for human subjects regulation vary by country. It's unreasonable to apply the US standard to everyone. 1/

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Amy Bruckman‏ @asbruckman 1h1 hour ago
      Replying to @asbruckman @lorenterveen and

      There are some countries whose human subjects regulatory frameworks are inadequate/non-existent. Researchers from those countries won't have undergone IRB review because in many places are no IRBs or anything like it. 2/

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Amy Bruckman‏ @asbruckman 1h1 hour ago
      Replying to @asbruckman @lorenterveen and

      So a question as simple as "did this undergo IRB review?" is fraught with western imperialism.... No, there's no IRB where that researcher is from. Now what? 3/

      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    6. Amy Bruckman‏ @asbruckman 1h1 hour ago
      Replying to @asbruckman @lorenterveen and

      One possible solution is to create an *ACM standard* and say researchers hoping to publish in ACM venues must abide by the ACM standard (and all their local rules as well). The problem is, writing and maintaining such a standard is a huuuuge undertaking. 4/

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Amy Bruckman‏ @asbruckman 1h1 hour ago
      Replying to @asbruckman @lorenterveen and

      I saw a proposal recently that suggested we say "abide by the ACM code of conduct and all local human subjects rules." But the ACM code of conduct isn't a human subjects policy and doesn't give clear guidance, and also is *aspirational*, setting a high bar. 5/

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Amy Bruckman‏ @asbruckman 1h1 hour ago
      Replying to @asbruckman @lorenterveen and

      If you read http://ethics.acm.org  carefully, a lot of ACM research is not allowed. I would argue for example that all computer vision research is unethical under the code because the technology has been so abused by repressive governments. 6/

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    9. Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 1h1 hour ago
      Replying to @asbruckman @PjdPeter and

      Most discussions I've seen are on more mundane issues. My perspective is that everyone's reasoning is partial and resource-limited, so if work has undergone an ethics review, the strong default is to "presume innocence". Was the decision *reasonable*, not whether I agree with it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Amy Bruckman‏ @asbruckman 1h1 hour ago
      Replying to @lorenterveen @PjdPeter and

      What is "reasonable" is not clear.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 57m57 minutes ago
      Replying to @asbruckman @PjdPeter and

      Yeeeeess.... but....

      2:13 PM - 21 Apr 2021
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        1. Amy Bruckman‏ @asbruckman 29m29 minutes ago
          Replying to @lorenterveen @PjdPeter and

          ... and conversations about where to find the border of "reasonable" inevitably take place enmeshed in webs of differential power and privilege?

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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