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Loren Terveen
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Loren Terveen

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Prof at Minnesota, Human-Computer Interaction, Social Computing.

Minneapolis, MN
www-users.cs.umn.edu/~terveen/
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    1. Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 3h3 hours ago

      CS department leadership at the Univ. of Minnesota just learned about the details of research conducted by its members into Linux kernel security, and the concerns of the Linux community. We have immediately suspended this research... @gregkh @johnregehr https://cse.umn.edu/cs/statement-cse-linux-kernel-research-april-21-2021 …

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    2. Keno Fischer‏ @KenoFischer 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @lorenterveen @gregkh @johnregehr

      I appreciate that this is being taken seriously now, but did it really have to come to this? Back in November when this was first made public, AFAIK there was notification to at least the UMN IRB, as well as the editors of the journal. What broke down in the process here?

      1 reply 1 retweet 13 likes
    3. Keno Fischer‏ @KenoFischer 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @KenoFischer @lorenterveen and

      I am particularly concerned that the result of that notification appears to have been a rubber stamp "IRB-exempt" determination. I hope your review will extend to the institutional processes that led to said approval.

      2 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
    4. Peter Desnoyers‏ @PjdPeter 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @KenoFischer @lorenterveen and

      Although the department can make complaints about IRB decisions, they don't really have any control over it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Keno Fischer‏ @KenoFischer 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @PjdPeter @lorenterveen and

      Fair enough, but what I mean is that this was reported to the university back in November and was the subject of extensive public discussion. Why didn't the department review this at the time? Did the complaints not reach, did people not understand what was happening?

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @KenoFischer @PjdPeter and

      A longish response: I think perhaps the key point here is that faculty at a university are in many ways "their own bosses". Faculty don't ask their department heads (or senior colleagues) for 'permission' to do any research...

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    7. Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @lorenterveen @KenoFischer and

      and typically most people in any department are unaware of the details of what their colleagues are doing. In the US, the right way to vet the ethics of ones' research is through your University's IRB. Again, one's dept. head and colleagues are not involved in this process at all

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 2h2 hours ago
      Replying to @lorenterveen @KenoFischer and

      To get more specific: CS department leadership didn't know about the back and forth or publicity about this work in December. I would say this is not unusual, although it clearly is unfortunate, and let's say that this is a learning experience for us. One more point to come:....

      1:22 PM - 21 Apr 2021
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        2. Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 2h2 hours ago
          Replying to @lorenterveen @KenoFischer and

          Yes! This was an IRB 'failure'. Again, in my area of Social Computing, it's been clear for awhile that IRBs often do not understand the issues and the potential risks/harms of doing research in online communities / social media. So researchers have to exercise their own care....

          2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
        3. Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 2h2 hours ago
          Replying to @lorenterveen @KenoFischer and

          And need to help educate IRBs!

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