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Prof at Minnesota, Human-Computer Interaction, Social Computing.

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www-users.cs.umn.edu/~terveen/
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    1. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler 24 Dec 2020

      Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD Retweeted Olivia Solon

      For years there's been a debate in my research community (social computing/HCI) about whether there is an ethical problem with researchers from tech companies publishing based on data only they have access to. There are a few important nuances to this debate: [Thread]https://twitter.com/oliviasolon/status/1341780460049985544 …

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      Olivia SolonVerified account @oliviasolon
      Tech companies have told me several times that their research divisions have academic independence -- a position that's increasingly difficult to defend https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alphabet-google-research-focus-idUSKBN28X1CB …
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    2. Christian Sandvig 🐩‏ @niftyc 25 Dec 2020
      Replying to @cfiesler

      If we want to be all scientific to me it seems like the publication bias problem is much bigger than the replication/access to data problem? If there is *any* kind of prepublication review it's hard to defend as "science." And I think industry always has prepub review. 1/x

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    3. Christian Sandvig 🐩‏ @niftyc 25 Dec 2020
      Replying to @niftyc @cfiesler

      I was told that "scientists" working at tobacco companies can do whatever "research" they want but that it is not welcome in reputable journals. The prepub review problem is the issue -- only pro-tobacco findings come out of those labs, so publishing distorts the record. 2/x

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    4. Christian Sandvig 🐩‏ @niftyc 25 Dec 2020
      Replying to @niftyc @cfiesler

      Sometimes this is called a conflict of interest problem but calling it a prepub problem seems clearer. And if you cross out tobacco in my last tweet and instead put "social media" or "big tech" does that change the logic? Not sure but I don't think so. 3/x

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    5. Christian Sandvig 🐩‏ @niftyc 25 Dec 2020
      Replying to @niftyc @cfiesler

      I'm guessing Bell Labs / PARC work as industry-supported pseudo-"academic freedom" b/c the findings don't threaten the funder... or the funder is too confused/behind/absent to realize that they do. So there is then no censorship? i.e. no prepub review problem. End thought. 4/x

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    6. Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 25 Dec 2020
      Replying to @niftyc @cfiesler

      In the 90s at Bell Labs, we absolutely had to have our papers internally cleared before publication, although as I recall, it was for IP purposes rather than much worry about making the company look bad.

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    7. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler 26 Dec 2020
      Replying to @lorenterveen @niftyc

      yeah this is what I've also heard from folks mostly now, which is why the Google thing was so surprising :-\

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      Loren Terveen‏ @lorenterveen 26 Dec 2020
      Replying to @cfiesler @niftyc

      But Google never has had the kind of (more or less "pure") research culture that Bell Labs did.

      11:27 AM - 26 Dec 2020
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        1. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler 26 Dec 2020
          Replying to @lorenterveen @niftyc

          Yeah for sure. Though even for FB I’ve been told review is mostly about IP.

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