Loren Terveen

I think the root of both of these questions is that people who have power (whether that be white people or mayors) need to listen to Black voices. It's not that the mayor just used the wrong term, it's that by using the wrong term he showed he wasn't listening.

I find the defenses of the term "refund the police" unconvincing. People have to explain what it means, i.e., not the actual meaning of the word "defund." This is a slogan. A good slogan should bring people in, and almost compel then to agree. Remember the"death tax"?

And maybe Jacob Frey wouldn't agree to the *term* because he knows it's unpopular, and using that term will be counterproductive to doing what actually needs to be done... Where, by the way, he agrees with the protesters to a very great degree.

isn’t that the script to successful protest though? you can’t protest for the compromise position

Jesus Christ, it's not the position, it's the word used as a slogan. The position is good! We're not arguing about the substance, we're arguing about the utility of"defund the police" as marketing slogan.

But, i think many would argue other slogans wouldn’t properly convey the full extent of the sentament … replace the police, maybe?

I think we're disagreeing about the job the slogan is meant to do. I think that if it misrepresents the content and alienates potential supporters, it isn't a good slogan.

Oh, yeah, i mean i agree, but this slogan wasn’t created by a marketing firm. I think it’s my responsibility to try to understand where it came from and forgive its rough edges