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it is, but not for the "benefit" of the person that we're punishing, but to set incentives for the people who have not yet done the same crime this is game theory 101; if we make the mugger pay $10 for stealing $10, then the math becomes "heads I keep $10, tails I get $0"
I think it has value even beyond deterrence (general or specific) but it’s squishy and messy
I suspect your argument is correct. I KNOW my argument is correct.
I think of them separately - retribution seems necessary for deterrence, maybe also for its own sake
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