it’s one way folklorists distinguish legends from fairytales - legends are told as if true, meant to be believed (like news stories)
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Replying to @literalbanana
Ah so "told for true" is a sort of term of art for an assumed folkloric consensus that everybody politely pretends to buy? No that does not sound nihilist to me. More like a sort of "don't think too much" faith.
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Replying to @vgr @literalbanana
Is that in reference to participating in "told for true" stories themselves, or to taking an ethnomethodologically emic stance toward said "told for true" items. The former seems non-nihilistic. The latter maybe non-nihilistic at a meta-level, and mostly pragmatic at story level
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I could answer that better if I felt like it was an available option to not participate in them!
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Replying to @literalbanana @rplevy
Sure it is. When foreigners intrude on a local told-for-true culture, they easily switch to explaining it in more explicitly symbolic/fictional terms. The suspension of disbelief is shallow and kinda instrumental. Like Huizenga’s play.
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so the goal is to become a universal foreigner
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like “anthropologist from mars”
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Replying to @literalbanana @rplevy
Or alternatively universal believer who can become true insider of anything. Like Electric monk https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=Electric%2bmonk&=true … “Go believe in Christianity for me”
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The Emic Bro
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I feel like I keep having to be reminded that emic exists even for my own self
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Replying to @literalbanana @rplevy
I think it kinda doesn’t for anyone born after world war 2. Post modernity kills the Emic experience unless you live under a rock. Hence baudrillard simulation
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One exception. Any role to which idea of a “killer instinct” applies is emic. Lawyers, soldiers, sports pros. If you die or kill in simulation you die or kill in real life. Even if it’s only social death. 100% skin in the game =100% emic. Hence taleb vibes for “told for true”
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