Antinatalists think human life has negative value. Hence, it is consistent with antinatalism to attempt to end all human life. QED.
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Replying to @PereGrimmer
drug warriors think drugs have negative value. therefore it’s consistent with drug warring to end all life to destroy drugs
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Replying to @literalbanana @PereGrimmer
But this is because people who are anti-drug are more pro-human-life than they are anti-drug. What is the countervailing value in the anti-natalist case? My guess would be "anti-killing." I just don't think that should logically constrain a utilitarian.
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(That is, killing could be bad even if life is bad, so that everyone just deciding not to reproduce would be *better* than killing everyone. But wiping everyone out will still be net positive utility points compared to thousands of years of future negative-utility lives).
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Replying to @SometimesSoftly @PereGrimmer
I find “painlessly wiping out the biosphere” implausible
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Replying to @literalbanana @PereGrimmer
I posited that killing everyone would be negative-utility. But if we're being utilitarians, it would still be the right thing to do if if it's less painful than the *combined pain* of billions upon billions of lives stretching forwards for thousands upon thousands of years.
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(Not being utilitarians is fine, btw. But someone else could be).
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Replying to @SometimesSoftly @PereGrimmer
this seems odd given that most of the politics I see ANs advocating is like, pro-gene editing anti-drug war
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Replying to @literalbanana @PereGrimmer
"We don't live like that's the logical consequences of our ideology" isn't really an answer to "that's the logical consequence of your ideology."
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Replying to @SometimesSoftly @PereGrimmer
the ideology isn’t a straw man version of itself though
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are you saying if I really believed that suffering is bad I’d commit mass genocide? seems counterproductive
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Replying to @literalbanana @PereGrimmer
Anti-natalism isn't "suffering is bad." "If suffering is bad the logical thing is to commit genocide" doesn't make sense. "If human life is of negative value the logical thing is to commit genocide" *does* make sense.
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I can imagine a situation where I really *would* think human life wasn't worth living--say, if every human would be literally tortured from the day they were born, and I knew with absolute certainty that would never change. And in that case, I would support genocide.
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