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Ordinary Banana
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    1. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 18 Dec 2018
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      Antinatalism is an incredibly dangerous ideology which preaches universal genocide, and it should be violently opposed. Consistent with antinatalist ideology, a dictator or terrorist could unleash a genetically engineered plague that wreaks comprehensive devastation.https://twitter.com/PereGrimmer/status/1040013710440493056 …

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      Antinatalism is a flavor of utilitarianism which holds life has negative value, according to David Benatar's book. The only way to avoid a prescription for suicide and murder (up to and esp. including universal genocide) is hand-waving. So you don't be obtuse.
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    2. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 18 Dec 2018
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      lol no it doesn’t wtf

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    3. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 18 Dec 2018
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      Antinatalists think human life has negative value. Hence, it is consistent with antinatalism to attempt to end all human life. QED.

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    4. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 18 Dec 2018
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      drug warriors think drugs have negative value. therefore it’s consistent with drug warring to end all life to destroy drugs

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    5. Sometimes Softly‏ @SometimesSoftly 18 Dec 2018
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      But this is because people who are anti-drug are more pro-human-life than they are anti-drug. What is the countervailing value in the anti-natalist case? My guess would be "anti-killing." I just don't think that should logically constrain a utilitarian.

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    6. Sometimes Softly‏ @SometimesSoftly 18 Dec 2018
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      (That is, killing could be bad even if life is bad, so that everyone just deciding not to reproduce would be *better* than killing everyone. But wiping everyone out will still be net positive utility points compared to thousands of years of future negative-utility lives).

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    7. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 18 Dec 2018
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      I find “painlessly wiping out the biosphere” implausible

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    8. Sometimes Softly‏ @SometimesSoftly 18 Dec 2018
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      I posited that killing everyone would be negative-utility. But if we're being utilitarians, it would still be the right thing to do if if it's less painful than the *combined pain* of billions upon billions of lives stretching forwards for thousands upon thousands of years.

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    9. Sometimes Softly‏ @SometimesSoftly 18 Dec 2018
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      (Not being utilitarians is fine, btw. But someone else could be).

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      Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 18 Dec 2018
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      this seems odd given that most of the politics I see ANs advocating is like, pro-gene editing anti-drug war

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        1. Sometimes Softly‏ @SometimesSoftly 18 Dec 2018
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          "We don't live like that's the logical consequences of our ideology" isn't really an answer to "that's the logical consequence of your ideology."

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        2. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 19 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @SometimesSoftly @PereGrimmer

          the ideology isn’t a straw man version of itself though

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        1. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 18 Dec 2018
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          like I guess maybe if it got super popular there would have to be an evil branch but that’s not about ideas

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        2. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 18 Dec 2018
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          and it will never be popular

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