Ordinary Banana

somehow managing to personally deserve the holocaust seems like the opposite of that logic

oh man it never occurred to me how much of an own it was to tell someone that Jesus died for them personally

Is that just a rhetorical thing or is there some convoluted theological reasoning behind it like transubstantiation?

I’m pretty sure there’s theology behind it but I am not familiar with it

Hmm @micahtredding do you know the story here?

The basic (mainstream) idea is that all sins must be "paid for", or else you go to hell. Jesus's death was the "payment" to atone for everyone's sins, giving them the chance to go to heaven instead. But you have to accept the payment by accepting Jesus.

Yeah. Basically, sins have to be paid for. Jesus is considered infinitely meritorious, so he can pay for everyone's sins. You just have to "cash the check", since you still have agency over your life.

Oh that makes sense actually. You could even formalize it with a Godellian numbering scheme. An infinite list of all who will ever live, with a preprinted get out of hail free card reserved for every unique id. You have to claim yours to use it. Held for you at “will call”.