Bitter is a high status flavor. Sweet is a low status flavor.
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Replying to @danlistensto @literalbanana
what could it mean though? bitter flavor often associated with presence of potentially toxic substances (alcohols and alkaloids in particular). demonstration of robustness to voluntarily consume poison?
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Replying to @danlistensto @literalbanana
that is plausible of bitterness but sweetness being low status is ahistorical. that is probably restricted to the present era where metabolic diseases are a serious problem. I do recall that refined sugar was ridiculously high status in the 17th century.
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Replying to @danlistensto @literalbanana
scarce good imported from distant plantation colonies. access to it associated with wealth and power (being on the right end of the gunboat cannons). all of that is nothing to do with the flavor itself though. feels like this argument is missing something important.
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Replying to @danlistensto @literalbanana
how much is desirability of flavors a social construction? are "acquired tastes" ubiquitous features of human cultures? do they share common flavor profiles? I can see that as being likely for bitterness perhaps but definitely not for sweetness, which is craved by most animals.
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Replying to @danlistensto
yeah that’s why the people banning flavored vapes/flavored cigarettes made me think of it
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Replying to @literalbanana @danlistensto
children are both lowest-status (agency) & highest-status (safety) beings; banning flavors for their sake is extra interesting
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Replying to @literalbanana
is addiction to not-very-harmful things actually bad? feel like there is "evilness" transferrence from cigarettes to any nicotine product not designed to be unpleasant (like gum or patches).
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Replying to @danlistensto
I don’t even think “addiction” is the core phenomenon with super bad things - it’s degrees of suffering palliated worse/better
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Replying to @literalbanana
brb gonna go cry in the bathroom about the number of people who seem to require the palliation of opioids
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I feel like the market could do better if not for drug warring/commerce clause/general puritanism idk
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