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Ordinary Banana
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    1. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 5 Jul 2018
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      DM Berger Retweeted Eiko Fried

      Most talk of "depression" is too conceptually, phenomenologically, and psychometrically vague for it to have any real validity.https://twitter.com/EikoFried/status/935098850439847937 …

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      Eiko Fried @EikoFried
      1/ Why depression is not a useful or reasonable phenotype for research in clinical psychology, psychiatry, or medicine: a summary of evidence in 18 tweets. Sx = symptoms, MDD = major depressive disorder. pic.twitter.com/Qk71bxtbpq
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    2. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 5 Jul 2018
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      @EikoFried yeah this is my starting point, hence “depression” is scare quotes when I remember

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    3. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 5 Jul 2018
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      (or “derpression” which I think is funnier)

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    4. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 5 Jul 2018
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      lol. For real though, even just switching adding some adjectives and/or going with better labels goes a long way. E.g. dysthymia, cyclothymia, recurrent / chronic / episodic depression. Or just describing the actual problem itself, e.g. anhedonia vs. lethargy vs. hopelessness etc

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    5. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 5 Jul 2018
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      bad vocabulary is like 60% of my problem I think - especially the “excruciating mental state” category

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    6. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 5 Jul 2018
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      Been there. When I did therapy a long time ago, spent a lot of time introspecting and coming up with my own "psycho-ontology" to richly describe my inner states. Now when I meet other "depressed" people I feel one issue is the monolithic way in which they model their problems.

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    7. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 5 Jul 2018
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      Like I've realized the average person (i.e. folk psychology) doesn't really distinguish positive emotion from actual will/drive/motivation. This is catastrophic for attempting to understand depressive conditions, because the two are very different systems, physically and mentally

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    8. Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 5 Jul 2018
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      any other distinctions that come to mind?

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    9. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 5 Jul 2018
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      The distinction between meaning/value vs. joy/pleasure/happiness. That's maybe more obvious and present in folk-psychology and popular culture, but typically overlooked in depressions. Some depression is due to lack of positive emotion, and some is due to loss of meaning/value.

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    10. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 5 Jul 2018
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      There are some more technical / esoteric ones. E.g. anticipatory anhedonia vs. anhedonia proper. I.e. "Yes, I am certain will enjoy X if I do it, but thinking about it, I feel no will to do it, nor joy in imagining doing it". I find this subtle but hugely important.

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      Ordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 5 Jul 2018
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      oh that is interesting

      8:47 AM - 5 Jul 2018
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        1. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger 5 Jul 2018
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          Was something I found when looking into negative symptoms of schizophrenia, and which I definitely struggle with. I think it's related to issues with lack of meaning ("Yes, I will enjoy it, but so what? It's just joy.") or possibly some other obscure motivational thing.

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