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    Walindsey Bieda‏ @lindseybieda Mar 27

    Someone asks you to write unethical code 1. Document that shit 2. Discuss the ethical implications and try to get them to reconsider 3. If you can afford to refuse please do 4. Blow the fucking whistle, a number of news sites have secure drops

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      1. Walindsey Bieda‏ @lindseybieda Mar 27

        Never expect someone else to do the ethical thing for you. C

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      2. Gaming Dude‏ @Gaming_Dude Mar 29
        Replying to @lindseybieda @BecomingDataSci

        Ok, is it wrong to write code that makes productivity of workers observable and comparable? If no, what if making it really comparable would need consideration of additional info, but mgmt only wants the basic info. Is it unethical to give it to them without the added stuff?

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      3. Data Science Renee‏ @BecomingDataSci Mar 29
        Replying to @Gaming_Dude @lindseybieda

        I think a lot more information would be needed in order to actually understand and answer your question, and I'm not an ethicist, and this is a very specific scenario, so.... you might want to consult someone who is an expert on ethics & law.

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      4. Gaming Dude‏ @Gaming_Dude Mar 29
        Replying to @BecomingDataSci @lindseybieda

        Yeah, i somehow forgot the point. I think it‘s often such a grey area what is ok and what is not, that the original tweet is not applicable. You still have to do your job. You can‘t consult somebody for every little thing that might not completely be clean.

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      5. Data Science Renee‏ @BecomingDataSci Mar 29
        Replying to @Gaming_Dude @lindseybieda

        "You still have to do your job." <- there are of course many different situations that people are in that would have to be considered. But, depending on the scenario, this sentence is debatable. @clarecorthell talked about this briefly on my podcast https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2016/02/14/becoming-a-data-scientist-podcast-episode-05-clare-corthell/ …

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      6. Data Science Renee‏ @BecomingDataSci Mar 29
        Replying to @BecomingDataSci @Gaming_Dude and

        Data Science Renee Retweeted chris g

        also see:https://twitter.com/hypervisible/status/970276540419395584?s=03 …

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        chris g @hypervisible
        Researchers build AI to identify gang members. When asked about potential misuses, presenter (a computer scientist at Harvard) says "I'm just an engineer." 🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/02/artificial-intelligence-could-identify-gang-crimes-and-ignite-ethical-firestorm … pic.twitter.com/qp6f0okJ1g
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      2. Tamas Piros‏ @tpiros Mar 29
        Replying to @lindseybieda @BecomingDataSci

        What is unethical code?! 🤔

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      3. Data Science Renee‏ @BecomingDataSci Mar 29
        Replying to @tpiros @lindseybieda

        I am not sure whether you're asking this question in good faith, but there is a lot of information online about ethics & technology. I just found this, might be a place to start learning: http://theinstitute.ieee.org/ieee-roundup/blogs/blog/bringing-ethics-to-the-forefront-of-technology-rd …

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      4. Tamas Piros‏ @tpiros Mar 29
        Replying to @BecomingDataSci @lindseybieda

        Yes I was. I have never hear that term and I couldn’t imagine what it could mean. Thank you 😊

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      5. Data Science Renee‏ @BecomingDataSci Mar 29
        Replying to @tpiros @lindseybieda

        I guess if you were to explain "unethical code", it might be stated as "software that could result in a person being treated unethically" (for example, an algorithm that makes different loan interest rate offers based on race)

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      6. Tamas Piros‏ @tpiros Mar 30
        Replying to @BecomingDataSci @lindseybieda

        Thank you. I did read the article that you linked and it was also useful!

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      1. remeedeR ehT‏ @luscious_dan Mar 28
        Replying to @lindseybieda

        Alternatively: Write millions of lines of troll code. Steal the DNA samples. Don't tease the dilophosaurus. Live happily ever after.

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      2. Derek Klinge‏ @schilke_60 Mar 28
        Replying to @lindseybieda

        Maybe someone should write and document the unethical code publicly so it can be studies and mitigated?

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      3. Matt Siegel‏ @mattsiegel Mar 28
        Replying to @schilke_60 @lindseybieda

        you can document the request without building the murder machine itself

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      4. Derek Klinge‏ @schilke_60 Mar 28
        Replying to @mattsiegel @lindseybieda

        But if someone is gonna build the murder machine (which someone will if there is enough of an incentive) I would think it would be better if the appropriate people could see it and develop countermeasures.

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      5. Matt Siegel‏ @mattsiegel Mar 28
        Replying to @schilke_60 @lindseybieda

        i have no counter-argument, because i believe the machine shouldn't be built

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      1. Hawkguy  🏹‏ @delphi_ote Mar 28
        Replying to @lindseybieda @nnschiller

        If you’re thinking about blowing the whistle, know that ethicists have thought about this question. Do your homework. There is guidance out there. http://www.richardcheeks.com/professor/DeGeorge-x.htm …

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      1. mallory, alice & bob‏ @stommepoes Mar 28
        Replying to @lindseybieda

        I'm so glad you prefaced #3. So many forget you need good savings or another job lined up to afford to say "no". Yours is the first I've seen with that, thank you.

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      1. T Colgate-McFarlane‏ @t_colgate Mar 28
        Replying to @lindseybieda

        I once had to threaten to go to the press when a knowingly broken migration strategy was being imposed on data for a health related critical email platform. Professional ethics matter. The threat worked.

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      1. Bill Taroli‏ @btaroli Mar 28
        Replying to @lindseybieda @devnatash

        If your company has an ethics violation team or hotline, contact them. Lawyers truly hate this kind of liability and will put a stop to it.

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