Skip to content
By using Twitter’s services you agree to our Cookies Use. We and our partners operate globally and use cookies, including for analytics, personalisation, and ads.

This is the legacy version of twitter.com. We will be shutting it down on June 1, 2020. Please switch to a supported browser, or disable the extension which masks your browser. You can see a list of supported browsers in our Help Center.

  • Home Home Home, current page.
  • About

Saved searches

  • Remove
  • In this conversation
    Verified accountProtected Tweets @
Suggested users
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @
  • Language: English
    • Bahasa Indonesia
    • Bahasa Melayu
    • Català
    • Čeština
    • Dansk
    • Deutsch
    • English UK
    • Español
    • Filipino
    • Français
    • Hrvatski
    • Italiano
    • Magyar
    • Nederlands
    • Norsk
    • Polski
    • Português
    • Română
    • Slovenčina
    • Suomi
    • Svenska
    • Tiếng Việt
    • Türkçe
    • Ελληνικά
    • Български език
    • Русский
    • Српски
    • Українська мова
    • עִבְרִית
    • العربية
    • فارسی
    • मराठी
    • हिन्दी
    • বাংলা
    • ગુજરાતી
    • தமிழ்
    • ಕನ್ನಡ
    • ภาษาไทย
    • 한국어
    • 日本語
    • 简体中文
    • 繁體中文
  • Have an account? Log in
    Have an account?
    · Forgot password?

    New to Twitter?
    Sign up
levity's profile
Lawrus
Lawrus
Lawrus
@levity

Tweets

Lawrus

@levity

wondering about everything • coding & cat-herding at @makerdao • existence precedes essence—or does it? ☯

Santa Cruz
Joined March 2007

Tweets

  • © 2020 Twitter
  • About
  • Help Center
  • Terms
  • Privacy policy
  • Imprint
  • Cookies
  • Ads info
Dismiss
Previous
Next

Go to a person's profile

Saved searches

  • Remove
  • In this conversation
    Verified accountProtected Tweets @
Suggested users
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @

Promote this Tweet

Block

  • Tweet with a location

    You can add location information to your Tweets, such as your city or precise location, from the web and via third-party applications. You always have the option to delete your Tweet location history. Learn more

    Your lists

    Create a new list


    Under 100 characters, optional

    Privacy

    Copy link to Tweet

    Embed this Tweet

    Embed this Video

    Add this Tweet to your website by copying the code below. Learn more

    Add this video to your website by copying the code below. Learn more

    Hmm, there was a problem reaching the server.

    By embedding Twitter content in your website or app, you are agreeing to the Twitter Developer Agreement and Developer Policy.

    Preview

    Why you're seeing this ad

    Log in to Twitter

    · Forgot password?
    Don't have an account? Sign up »

    Sign up for Twitter

    Not on Twitter? Sign up, tune into the things you care about, and get updates as they happen.

    Sign up
    Have an account? Log in »

    Two-way (sending and receiving) short codes:

    Country Code For customers of
    United States 40404 (any)
    Canada 21212 (any)
    United Kingdom 86444 Vodafone, Orange, 3, O2
    Brazil 40404 Nextel, TIM
    Haiti 40404 Digicel, Voila
    Ireland 51210 Vodafone, O2
    India 53000 Bharti Airtel, Videocon, Reliance
    Indonesia 89887 AXIS, 3, Telkomsel, Indosat, XL Axiata
    Italy 4880804 Wind
    3424486444 Vodafone
    » See SMS short codes for other countries

    Confirmation

     

    Welcome home!

    This timeline is where you’ll spend most of your time, getting instant updates about what matters to you.

    Tweets not working for you?

    Hover over the profile pic and click the Following button to unfollow any account.

    Say a lot with a little

    When you see a Tweet you love, tap the heart — it lets the person who wrote it know you shared the love.

    Spread the word

    The fastest way to share someone else’s Tweet with your followers is with a Retweet. Tap the icon to send it instantly.

    Join the conversation

    Add your thoughts about any Tweet with a Reply. Find a topic you’re passionate about, and jump right in.

    Learn the latest

    Get instant insight into what people are talking about now.

    Get more of what you love

    Follow more accounts to get instant updates about topics you care about.

    Find what's happening

    See the latest conversations about any topic instantly.

    Never miss a Moment

    Catch up instantly on the best stories happening as they unfold.

    1. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche coined the term ‘spiritual materialism’ for shopping around spiritual systems, pulling out the bits that appeal, adopting different parts from different systems into one’s repertoire; a limited approach in some ways, but useful and serves a function. 2/11

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
      Show this thread
    2. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      My term ‘systems shopping’ means the same, applied to any type of system. Like walking through a mall, browsing different shops, buying a couple of things here and there. That’s shopping according to one’s preferences. We do this all the time. There’s nothing wrong with it. 3/11

      2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
      Show this thread
    3. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      When I walk through a mall as a consumer I’m not meta to the different outlets or to their context, I’m a piece of the picture, I have a function in it, I’m mostly ‘outside’ the shops, until I’m inside one while I browse. Not a great analogy. I hope the point is clear. 4/11

      1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
      Show this thread
    4. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      Being meta to a system is not defined by seeing the system from the outside. This is a necessary step in order to be meta, but not enough on its own. To be meta to a system, I have to fully understand how it works or fails. 5/11

      1 reply 2 retweets 27 likes
      Show this thread
    5. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      Seeing how a system works and where it falls short means understanding the principles on which it is built, and the functions of the different parts, in context. This is often hard work, it takes time and effort. It requires involvement, connectedness and engagement. 6/11

      1 reply 1 retweet 26 likes
      Show this thread
    6. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      I can pick parts from a system & remain outside with no connection. I can systems shop, even with contempt for the systems I’m taking from, using the bits and pieces to make a tapestry of coolness. But I cannot simultaneously be meta to a system and wholly disconnected from it. 7

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      Show this thread
    7. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      Being meta to a system is an act of interrelatedness. There’s usually some respect involved – because if there is no appreciation of the way a system tries to work or worked in its original context, why bother being meta to it? Better start somewhere else. 8/11

      2 replies 4 retweets 27 likes
      Show this thread
    8. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      Being meta to a system involves creativity, but it doesn’t necessarily involve any of the pieces of the original system. This is an important distinction between systems shopping and meta-systematicity. Systems shopping, by definition, gathers parts and pieces. 9/11

      2 replies 2 retweets 19 likes
      Show this thread
    9. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      Systems shopping is an act of collection and comparison, often collective and collaborative. The pieces acquired are definitional, sometimes deterministic. Meta-systematicity may, or may not, retain parts of the original system. It does not rely on them. 10/11

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      Show this thread
    10. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 28 Jul 2018
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation

      The meta-systemic focus is application in context. Congruent application often requires starting from first principles, understanding partial contributions and functionality, re-working from scratch in a new context. It is paradigmatically different from systems shopping. 11/11

      2 replies 1 retweet 28 likes
      Show this thread
      Lawrus‏ @levity 2 Jun 2019
      • Report Tweet
      • Report NetzDG Violation
      Replying to @_awbery_

      Would you say being meta to a system requires “fully understanding” that system? “Fully” is a problematic word here but I hope you see what I’m gesturing at

      7:24 PM - 2 Jun 2019
      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        1. New conversation
        2. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 2 Jun 2019
          • Report Tweet
          • Report NetzDG Violation
          Replying to @levity

          I think that the first time one goes meta it’ll probably be after ‘fully’ engaging with a system. But the more one understands the relevant field, the less detail one requires to get the systems. What do you think?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Lawrus‏ @levity 7 Nov 2019
          • Report Tweet
          • Report NetzDG Violation
          Replying to @_awbery_

          I agree—the first time you “pop out the top” of a system, i.e. see how it is useful but partial and interdependent, you have the chance to learn that this is true of systems generally, and might make the meta move sooner the next time

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        4. 2 more replies
        1. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 2 Jun 2019
          • Report Tweet
          • Report NetzDG Violation
          Replying to @levity

          Charlie Awbery Retweeted Charlie Awbery

          See conversations with @InspiredBuddha https://twitter.com/_awbery_/status/1133771706638561281 … https://twitter.com/_awbery_/status/1134282169117958145 … I think there needs to be at minimum, understanding of how the system functions in situ, how it fits and fulfils purpose/s, its working principles. Did you have something particular in mind?

          Charlie Awbery added,

          Charlie Awbery @_awbery_
          Replying to @InspiredBuddha
          Practically, I would say ‘deep enough to know that any more learning within the system can only ever be more detail and nuance’: ie, that the functioning parts are fully understood and there’s an overview of the whole and how they fit. I think this is possible with many fields.
          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
          Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. Undo
          Undo

      Loading seems to be taking a while.

      Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.

        Promoted Tweet

        false

        • © 2020 Twitter
        • About
        • Help Center
        • Terms
        • Privacy policy
        • Imprint
        • Cookies
        • Ads info