This event profoundly shaped our world, but it has never been explained clearly, afaik. My eggplant book tries; but only relatively briefly (~50 pages) because it’s just background to my actual topics. Wish I could recommend a good source instead.https://twitter.com/everytstudies/status/1108008134839320579 …
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Most ideologies spawn “deconversion narratives,” from believers who realized the ism was false and left. Why are there so few rationalist deconversion narratives? Maybe postrational nihilism is so dreary that almost no one has the energy for it. Mine: https://meaningness.com/metablog/ken-wilber-boomeritis-artificial-intelligence …pic.twitter.com/X0X41jHoCG
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Take an opposing extreme: someone who sees prayer and faith as the best ways to interact with reality. Imo, the most effective deconversion narrative is using rationality to show them the inconsistencies within their own behavior and worldview. /
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Then they can begin to see their frame breaking and a view into a larger conceptual world. But with rationalists, you have to go the other direction. So, do you use rationality to show them the limits of rationality? Do you use prayer and faith to help break the frame? /
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The issue, afaiks, is that for both of those types, they aren't "reasonable" in the sense you describe. They _like_ to have one way to see the world, to evaluate truth. It seems natural to them that the world should be so. There's one reality, and one way to describe it best.
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^ Your concept of "eternalism." I have a couple friends who are like this and it's been really interesting trying to find the words that can lead them out of that box. So far I'm failing hard. Do you think that there is a poster-child case for this rationalist deconversion?
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If their curiosity & commitment to truth is strong enough, they’ll learn to see the limitations themselves. If it isn’t, you won’t ever find the words. You’re in the gray area where you’re hoping their existing motivation + their social commitment to you tips the scale.
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There isn’t going to be any objectively effective poster child. Those who are not ready to change would just interpret them as having failed (i.e. as green, not yellow; Wilber’s pre/trans fallacy)
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Reminds me of a Mark Twain line: “When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”
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