'Oh, yeah, I used to run a circus.'
The search for meaningful things to do with your body now that software has eaten everything.
by @utotranslucencehttps://autotranslucence.wordpress.com/2019/02/21/leaving-our-bodies-behind/ …
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Replying to @Meaningness @utotranslucence
I was getting a vibe that the activities which "feel meaningful" to her, with the exception of meditation, all scale more easily than the work of deepening one's sense of intertwinement with the physical world one tedious muscle movement at a time. Yes
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Replying to @spearofsolomon @Meaningness
Yep, that's pretty accurate. If you use even a rough heuristic of meaningful = more important to more people, then if you're maxing out on meaning then you're using technology a lot of the time. (And by tech I mean specifically the internet boxes that you touch with your hands)
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I think about this all the time. There is at least a kind of meta-scalability to “physical meaningfulness”—you know that all other humans also have bodies, so any insight into this problem could benefit all of them.
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Replying to @levity @utotranslucence and
“[Mountain climbing etc] may be practicing the values and character traits that allow you to succeed in ‘real life’, but it isn’t real life” I’m tempted to argue that given our evolutionary heritage, there is no substitute for complex physical work within a social context
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Replying to @levity @utotranslucence and
That the pretense for it may seem flimsy from a disembodied analytical point of view, but if it is sufficiently complex and engaging on the body’s own terms, that just doesn’t matter much
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My problem with this has been arbitrariness. There are compounding returns to continuing to learn a specific physical skill, but the physical skill you pick is highly arbitrary and social network dependent. (Maybe I should just become a climber because all my friends are.)
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Seems important to draw a finite-&-infinite-games sort of distinction here. Mountain climbing > soccer because there's more room for the unexpected. But what we could call "improvisational qigong" > mountain climbing because there's less boundary between it and other activities.
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There's a landscape of physical meaning and sports are just one corner of it. "Improvisational qigong" for me bridges sport, fidgeting, meditation, sex, emotional healing work. Learning and trying out new movements and seeing how they affect one's subjective experience.
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Replying to @levity @utotranslucence and
The path of mastery here is about interestingness, not refinement of skill. Though that is nice too. Seen this broadly, it becomes an everpresent foundation of all my activity. The line between physical and non-physical blurs.
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Do you find things like ‘aerobic exertion’ correlate well with interestingness?
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