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    1. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 6 Sep 2018
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      I recall >=3 levels of linguistic ironic detachment in High School. First: basic humorous incongruity between literal speech and intended meaning. 2nd level: doing this defensively where you mean what you say but "have an out". 3rd: Pretending to need an out as a status move.

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    2. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 6 Sep 2018
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      Higher levels challenge discernment. Ironist: <a hard truth(?), w/ theatrically-self-deprecating casually pompous certainty> Stickler: Wait, was that 4th level irony, or just 2nd? Ironist: Maybe it was 5th... what did YOU hear? Stickler: I see. (Both squint and nod sagely.)

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    3. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 6 Sep 2018
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      Basic 1st level irony is a status move showing fundamental SOLIDARITY with common sense while signaling verbal/cognitive/social sophistication. Even levels can point to locally heterodox ideas in a way that trades on the ambiguity created by odd levels.

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    4. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 6 Sep 2018
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      At higher levels it might become unclear WHICH "local common sense" is being taken for granted, especially if a large audience can or does exist that will plausibly fail to fully unwrap "the onion of irony", or unwrap it more than was intended. Intent itself becomes questionable.

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    5. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 6 Sep 2018
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      High levels of irony *over time* herd a large verbal community of mixed/uncertain loyalties and "mere beliefs" back to literal meanings, first principles truths, and a basically non-ironic interpretive stance. Safe literality allows laziness... Then 1st level irony returns :-P

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      Lawrus‏ @levity 6 Sep 2018
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      A boom/bust cycle.

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        2. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 6 Sep 2018
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          Indeed. Empiricism could falsify the claim. It FEELS like irony ebbs and flows. I remember it being high for me in the 90s, then low, and rising again lately. Casual googling gave no rigorous historical data... but TvTropes on "Irony" also remembers the 90s as high in irony.

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        3. Tyrrell McAllister‏ @tmcal77 7 Sep 2018
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          I lived for a few years in the Netherlands and Germany. I was surrounded by fluent English speakers, but I could never be sure how subtle shades of diction would come across. I spent three years basically not being funny.

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