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    1. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 2 Jul 2018
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      No matter how much data you work with in client/server development you get to treat it like a global mutable state. CouchDB/PouchDB allow you to deceive yourself into believing you have the same thing until you get enough conflicts.

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    2. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 2 Jul 2018
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      This is the biggest challenge of Offline, the biggest challenge for the Decentralize Web, and possibly even Edge Computing. Teaching developers to work with decentralized data-structures is harder than teaching them a new programming language.

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    3. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 2 Jul 2018
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      This is a completely different programming model, but it's one we'll need to migrate to because our data needs are growing faster than available mobile bandwidth and that isn't changing.

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    4. Thomas #raisethebar Fuchs‏Verified account @thomasfuchs 2 Jul 2018
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      It’s because any ”offline web app” solution is, inherently, extremely complex because data syncing. 99% of projects, while maybe they would be better with it, don’t have the resources to implement that. IMHO the implementation details behind it don’t matter.

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    5. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 2 Jul 2018
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      There are data-structures that get syncing "for free." The problem is that they aren't the data-structures we're used to and when we try to do syncing on our old primitives we have to write syncing by hand.

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    6. Thomas #raisethebar Fuchs‏Verified account @thomasfuchs 2 Jul 2018
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      Idk, I’ve heard so many times of “automatic syncing” and it never is actually automatic. My first large project was, incidentally, an offline mobile app in 1999/2000 with hundreds of Palms syncing to a Oracle database. Oh the woes. :)

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    7. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @thomasfuchs

      git is pretty automatic :) the only conflicts are when two people legitimately changes the same thing. there aren't ever conflicts because people touched the same file or because of the state of the repo was slightly different when they made their changes.

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    8. Adam‏ @littlefyr 2 Jul 2018
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      It seems (but perhaps i'm a step behind) that looking only at parts of data for finding conflicts is inherently flawed. Even git's conflict detection can't catch that your removal of some function broke my new use of it. This feels over simplified.

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    9. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 2 Jul 2018
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      It's not that you only look at parts, it's that you can tell if anything in a large graph changed because the hash changed and you can operate on just the branch with the change to resolve the conflict.

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    10. Lawrus‏ @levity 2 Jul 2018
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      But then teams also have conventions about merging changes from "master" back into branches often, to reduce the chance of ugly conflicts. The true power of git requires a paradigm shift, letting go of the idea of a single source of truth.

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      Lawrus‏ @levity 2 Jul 2018
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      You may have noticed that we're having a hard time with this not only in the tech world but in society at large. :)

      7:09 PM - 2 Jul 2018
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