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    Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 5 May 2020

    Laura Bronner Retweeted CEA45 Archived

    Everyone on even-remotely-stats-adjacent Twitter is appalled at this. I'm going to try to explain why in a thread. 1) Fitting models here is hard because the data is super noisy & changes direction every few days.https://twitter.com/WhiteHouseCEA45/status/1257680258364555264 …

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    CEA45 Archived @WhiteHouseCEA45
    To better visualize observed data, we also continually update a curve-fitting exercise to summarize COVID-19's observed trajectory. Particularly with irregular data, curve fitting can improve data visualization. As shown, IHME's mortality curves have matched the data fairly well. pic.twitter.com/NtJcOdA98R
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      2. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 5 May 2020

        2) If you have really noisy data, you could estimate a model to fit it closely, but that's likely to be overfitting (e.g. here, we don't *actually* think deaths are fluctuating so much). So instead, you have to make assumptions about what the data looks like absent the noise.

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      3. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 5 May 2020

        But those assumptions are important to get a model that fits well out of sample. So this should be guided based on your epidemiological knowledge, your understanding of how the data was collected, and analyses of model fit.

        2 replies . 2 retweets 39 likes
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      4. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 5 May 2020

        3) Now, the "cubic fit" part: a) you're assuming a very particular functional form. And b) using polynomials to extrapolate is particularly iffy because the edge behavior of polynomials is notoriously finicky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runge%27s_phenomenon …). This is a bad way to fit a flexible model.

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      5. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 5 May 2020

        4) This *could* be something more complicated like a gam with a cubic spline, but all we have to go on is the phrase "cubic fit", so... who knows? And it may well have similar issues.

        2 replies . 2 retweets 31 likes
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      6. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 5 May 2020

        5) I think a lot of the frustration here is that this hugely policy-relevant model seems like it might be based on something my third stats class told me not to do, and we don't have the information necessary to evaluate it.

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      2. Berlin Amerikaner  🇺🇸 ⚽‏ @ttaldridge 5 May 2020
        Replying to @laurabronner

        Are you removing the possibility of the. #negativedead? The sheer indecency is like watching a new #chappelleshow sketch. It's hilarious, but can't deny that #omfgweareallgoingtodie boiling forward. I think I need to invest in tinfoil futures...

        1 reply . 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. GrooTheWanderer‏ @MikeHughJass 5 May 2020
        Replying to @ttaldridge @laurabronner

        The negative death rate would be the zombie Apocalypse, what else?

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      2. (((Roger Moore)))‏ @VATVSLPR 5 May 2020
        Replying to @laurabronner

        Even absent the modeling problems you point out, the final answer doesn't pass the sniff test. It is making predictions that make no sense with the observed behavior of this (or any other) epidemic. /1

        1 reply . 0 retweets 19 likes
      3. (((Roger Moore)))‏ @VATVSLPR 5 May 2020
        Replying to @VATVSLPR @laurabronner

        No other country in the world has seen their death rate drop off to near zero in a couple of weeks. Even places that went into much stricter lockdowns than anything we've done in the US took well over a month to get things under any semblance of control. /2

        2 replies . 0 retweets 19 likes
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      2. dbeacom‏ @danbeacom 5 May 2020
        Replying to @laurabronner

        Every last part can be described on an exponential equation, even when the growth or extinction are very slow. Please look me up on LinkedIn. I do microbial growth equations for a living and have dealt with bacterial virus in production scale tanks (300,000 gallons)

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      3. Vaccinate, Vote, repeat as necessary‏ @ArtusBunnyBane 5 May 2020
        Replying to @danbeacom @laurabronner

        is it reasonable to equate microbial growth in a controlled (or semi-controlled or wild) environment with infection transfer and infection spread? there will be more variables w/ disease models, right? If so, won't that effect the predicted rates?

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