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    Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 27 Sep 2019

    I *was* going to write an article about herding in Austrian polls this week... but things got weirdly busy, so here's a thread instead. Austria's having an election this Sunday, and the polls have been incredibly stable. So stable, in fact, that there's good evidence of herding. https://twitter.com/laurabronner/status/1177284463396556803 …pic.twitter.com/6TKKFzUMvM

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      2. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 27 Sep 2019

        To check for herding, I took the 18 polls released since Aug. 1, and simulated the standard deviation you'd expect based on the polling average and sample sizes. I compared that to the actual standard deviation of the polls, which turned out to be *a lot* smaller.pic.twitter.com/c7rNfp8bon

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      3. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 27 Sep 2019

        While the above chart shows the ÖVP, this is true for *all* major parties in Austria; in some cases, the actual standard deviation was less than half of what we'd expect.pic.twitter.com/hjcSYSPQhJ

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      4. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 27 Sep 2019

        It turns out that at least two major parties showed evidence of herding in *all* of the last six elections, and in some cases almost all parties did.pic.twitter.com/fqUmvB3n7J

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      5. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 27 Sep 2019

        The problem with herding is twofold: (1) it reduces the variance of the estimate -- preventing us from getting an accurate measure of the uncertainty in the race -- and (2) it can potentially bias results if pollsters are converging on the wrong number.

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      6. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 27 Sep 2019

        But despite evidence of herding, the mean absolute polling error -- the mean difference between the result and the last-4-week polling average, by party -- is quite low. Despite herding, Austrian polls are quite predictive!pic.twitter.com/dHMfhBG08j

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      7. Laura Bronner‏ @laurabronner 27 Sep 2019

        What does this mean for Sunday's election? Well, things are probably more uncertain than the polls make them seem. We have good reason to believe that the polls aren't adequately incorporating the uncertainty in the race, leaving room for surprises.

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      2. tc ✪‏ @tc_nj7 27 Sep 2019
        Replying to @laurabronner @NateSilver538

        Would be nice to start threads like this with a shirt definition of herding for those of us who don't know

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      3. Stephen Beban‏ @StephenBeban 27 Sep 2019
        Replying to @tc_nj7 @laurabronner @NateSilver538

        See paragraph 4: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-to-handle-an-outlier-poll/ … Herding is the opposite of outlier polls: it's pollsters putting a thumb on the scale to match the polling consensus for fear of being wrong. However, it makes polling less accurate and more biased to conventional wisdom.

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      2. Josh Hunt‏ @Bouje99 27 Sep 2019
        Replying to @laurabronner

        Read this as Australia at first then saw the German and was for a split second confused.

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      3. Ben Messenger‏ @BenMessenger8 28 Sep 2019
        Replying to @Bouje99 @laurabronner

        The Australian election that was this year in May is another a great example of the polls herding. In that case the polls herded to the wrong number. The government won by 1.5% despite all the polls saying they should lose by 1-2%.

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