Just read now! Interesting, agree that play is gone and that’s a noteworthy turn, laughed to think of myself as the new old left. I think you’re way off on the role and influence of feminist #philosophy of science though...
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Replying to @lastpositivist @ortoiseortoise
“Values and identity, allowed to “play around” on the field of otherwise objective research, become the only game in town” not recognisable as a description of the field, Longino’s under-determination argument isn’t as you described, & original values-folk not especially feminist
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Replying to @olivertraldi @ortoiseortoise
This thread has me thinking about this issue more, sorry for spamming you! I take Longino to have four main points: (1) empiricism, the proper evaluative metric in science is whether we are doing well in predicting the outcome of experiments and interventions...
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Replying to @lastpositivist @ortoiseortoise
(2) Under-determination, we need to make choices of theories and hypotheses on grounds that can't be fully captured by cognitive virtues (for critical review, http://thehangedman.com/teaching-files/svd/Intemann_2005.pdf …)...
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Replying to @lastpositivist @ortoiseortoise
(3) Diversity, we'd do best by empiricist lights if we allowed for a diversity of sets of non-cognitive values guide judgements, and (4) Feminism, among the non-cognitive values that can form part of a fruitful community of inquiry are characteristically feminist values.
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Replying to @lastpositivist @ortoiseortoise
My theory of ort predicts that of these you're gonna be sympathetic to (3), and at least not hostile to (1) and (2), so it's gonna be (4) you disagree with? (4) is where "here's a time when feminist principles led to better science" are relevant, but its in the context of (3).
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Replying to @lastpositivist @ortoiseortoise
If this is Longino’s considered view, then it doesn’t seem that objectionable. However, without a substantive argument for the utility of feminist values then (4) seems really weak (e.g. misogynistic values should also be acceptable as part of a scientific research project).
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I predict that ort will agree with the argument as stated but think that the feminist project, insofar as it is objectionable, is objectionable because the feminist values are in conflict with the cognitive virtues. Maybe this is when a research programme becomes degenerate.
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Ha, now we have conflicting theories of ort! Per (1), hopefully empirical evidence shall soon arise that settles the matter...
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Yes that’s fair! I guess it’s just I take Longino’s version of feminist philosophy of science to be the most culturally influential, can’t say how far that’s just my social circles though. (I think she’d agree with your second tweet, so that’s due to infelicity in my wording).
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