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@landley @siracusa Isn't this more likely a clogged interconnect (rather than intentional throttling?) Both options bad, but different.

@ampsonic @siracusa The clogged interconnect would hit the VPN just as hard. It would still have to go through it.

@landley @ampsonic @siracusa that's not how the internet works. Odds are the VPN provider has less congestion to level 3.

@petecheslock @ampsonic @siracusa Verizon is saying "you must pay me to accept the traffic my customers paid me to deliver".

@petecheslock @ampsonic @siracusa Four if you count "we want to be paid extra to provide the bandwidth our customers bought" comcast.

@landley @ampsonic @siracusa Netflix buys bandwidth from L3 or peers with Verizon and buys from them. The internet isn't a series of tubes.

@landley @siracusa Simply encrypting the Netflix traffic wouldn’t fix the problem at all. Peering arrangements, they’re a thing.

@pewpewarrows @siracusa Unless Verizon is intentionally throttling netflix to shake them down for money, which is sort of the point.

@landley @pewpewarrows @siracusa Are you claiming that Verizon is intentionally throttling AWS as well? Same route (Level3), same problems.

@landley @erinspice @Verizon @VerizonFiOS #WTF Do we really see this as the future of the internet in the United States?

@landley @siracusa To be clear, it’s not throttling. It’s just that the VPN traffic goes to a different Verizon peer than Netflix.

@landley @jpdanner it's not that they can't tell what it is because it's encrypted; it's because the VPN endpoint has better netflix peering

@StuFlemingNZ @landley Hasn't Netflix already paid Verizon to setup peering? At least Comcast had all the infra in place once they got paid.

@jpdanner @landley no, Level 3 called out Verizon for operating congested peering links in some exchanges http://www.zdnet.com/verizon-netflix-continue-net-neutrality-war-of-words-7000031838/ …

@jpdanner @StuFlemingNZ Netflix didn't pay enough for it to actually take effect before the end of the year.