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    1. Matthew Garrett‏ @mjg59 15 Dec 2018
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      Look if you want to write proprietary software just write proprietary software, don't pretend you're doing a social good by doing so

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    2. Matthew Garrett‏ @mjg59 15 Dec 2018
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      An earnest attempt to write an AGPL that people would actually use would be of significantly more benefit than this clusterfuck of mutually incompatible proprietary licenses, so the fact that none of these companies are doing that should tell you what their motives are

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    3. Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ)‏ @Det_Conan_Kudo 15 Dec 2018
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      I'd support an AGPLv3 revision that would clarify it so that it'd be less toxic, but I have a feeling that no one is actually interested in that...

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    4. Ian McKellar‏ @ian 15 Dec 2018
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      What's toxic about it?

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    5. Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ)‏ @Det_Conan_Kudo 15 Dec 2018
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      Some companies allege that the AGPLv3 is too vague in its conveyance = distribution clause and the extent in which it covers a solution that leverages an AGPLv3 component. This is why no cloud vendor will touch them, because it means their infrastructure might be subject to it.

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    6. Ian McKellar‏ @ian 15 Dec 2018
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      Why shouldn't their customers have freedom over the software they use, whether that's a kernel, a database of infrastructure? That seems like a reasonable expectation from a free software based system.

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    7. Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ)‏ @Det_Conan_Kudo 15 Dec 2018
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      I mean, I agree, but cloud vendors build their businesses on that asymmetry. As long as they continue to pile up those differences and abuse all kinds of loopholes and privileges in most FOSS licenses, they'll have the power. You don't really see people building ethical clouds.

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    8. Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ)‏ @Det_Conan_Kudo 15 Dec 2018
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      One of the reasons the Linux Foundation is against GNU licenses these days is because the makeup of its members has changed drastically. If you look at the list today, the majority of more powerful members are cloud software solutions vendors. And they generally dislike GNU/FSF.

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      lalonde‏ @lalonde 16 Dec 2018
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      but isn't the Linux Foundation set up in a way to only allow groups with lots of money have control? You need to give them hundreds of thousands per year. Only bug business can do that.

      12:08 AM - 16 Dec 2018
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        1. Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ)‏ @Det_Conan_Kudo 17 Dec 2018
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          I don't really have anything against businesses, even big ones. However, the problem with the Linux Foundation is that it doesn't encourage community alignment. Linux Foundation members are out of sync with users and developers of the Linux ecosystem, in many ways.

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