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Elaine Doyle

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Writer and researcher. Particularly interested in the history of medicine. Formerly: historian, PhD (QUB), MPhil (University of Cambridge)

Dublin and LA
Joined January 2009

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020

      Here's an important discussion that people are missing in this polarized environment. Not only can we not remain in full lock-down forever because of its human costs, we should not. Good luck discussing that though. (Work by @mlipsitch/@yhgrad and others). https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/10/opinion/its-possible-flatten-curve-too-long/ …pic.twitter.com/eJ3qGpwQz2

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    2. Elaine Doyle‏ @laineydoyle 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @mlipsitch @yhgrad

      If I’ve understood the article correctly, it says that the only strategy we have, absent a vaccine, is herd immunity. But what about #TestTraceIsolate? As per South Korea? If we isolate clusters & trace contacts, offers a third path.

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    3. TBashII‏ @RukhnamaLives 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @laineydoyle @zeynep and

      these two aren't mutually exclusive, though. I'd assume Lipstitch agrees with #TestTraceIsolate.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @RukhnamaLives @laineydoyle and

      Of course, so does every sane epidemiologists. I just don't understand how people think top scientists are all idiots that must be pointed out the simplest stuff in their own discipline.

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    5. Elaine Doyle‏ @laineydoyle 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @RukhnamaLives and

      Oh absolutely! No doubt that Lipsitch knows this stuff inside out (as do you!). I was genuinely asking how you think the article - which comes out so strongly for a herd immunity approach - fits with what Sridhar has been saying. Real disagreement within discipline re: approaches

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @laineydoyle @RukhnamaLives and

      So, that's a great discussion because the positions aren't that far apart. But she's counting on a vaccine in a time-frame that may or may not be realistic. Nobody knows, honestly. Her soft-lock down and suppress-release aren't that far apart.

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      Elaine Doyle‏ @laineydoyle 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @RukhnamaLives and

      <nods> The timing of a vaccine is defo a crucial part of it. From what I understand, she's also advocating for more time to *understand* the vaccine, and its long-term implications, before we expose large % of pop to it. Which would be a necessary (& risky) part of herd immunity.

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        1. Elaine Doyle‏ @laineydoyle 24 Apr 2020
          Replying to @laineydoyle @zeynep and

          There are no good answers. Lockdown (& increased mortality from same) is also awful. And: I appreciated her points in last 2 paras of this: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/22/flattening-curve-new-zealand-coronavirus?CMP=share_btn_tw … i.e. not just playing for time for vaccine, but for more info on virus generally re: who's vulnerable & why.

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        1. Elaine Doyle‏ @laineydoyle 24 Apr 2020
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          Dammit. Understand the *virus* and its long-term implications. (Though we should understand the vaccine too!)

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