I have said, about a dozen times and will say again now, that many libertarians, perhaps even most, in the United States and certainly most who followed libertarian leaders were motivated by white supremacist ideas. So no disagreement there.
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Replying to @glenweyl @ikuziemko and
& how has that history marked what calls itself "libertarianism" today? Will Wilkinson is trying hard to think about this. Your equating Goldwater and FDR suggests—suggests rather strongly to me, in fact—that you are not...
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Replying to @delong @ikuziemko and
I did not equate them and to the extent I think there are similarities, it is not primarily on race but on an all things considered accounts of awful things (Japanese internment?) they did and great things they did. History is multidimensional
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Replying to @glenweyl @ikuziemko and
". As did Franklin Roosevelt". I thought that meant that you believed FDR did the same thing on race relations as Goldwater...
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Replying to @delong @ikuziemko and
I explicitly later in the conversation and repeatedly clarified I do not think they have equivalent race records and I think Roosevelt is overall better though Japanese internment is a huge exception and it is very hard to weigh the two against each other.
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Replying to @glenweyl @ikuziemko and
You are not helping yourself here. Everyone reading "it is very hard to weigh the two against each other" will conclude: "he thinks their records are roughly equivalent". Look: by things like this, you've moved me from thinking Marshall is 60% right to thinking he's 90% right 1/
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I'm going to end this before you push me to thinking Marshall is 100% right 2/END
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I think both of them are trying to be helpful to you, and that if you can’t see the nuances or history that either of them are illustrating, then it may be genuinely difficult for you to build a broad racial coalition around your ideas.
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Replying to @kimmaicutler @delong and
I find the way they are trying to push me likely to be extremely divisive and damaging. There is no revealing insights about history I was unaware of this far. I have many more illuminating conversations than this about these and related issues.
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My feeling is that people are trying to signal to you that it may be impossible to put Charles Murray enthusiasts and, say, African American leaders from Detroit, the city in which you have chosen to host your first conference, in the same coalition/room around your ideas.
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Replying to @ne0liberal @kimmaicutler and
beep boop can't make freedom without slavery Buchananbot /out
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End of conversation
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