Yes, and Christianity didn't really won until it allied with the power of the Roman state. I do not think this means that the entire Christian project is inherently monarchical, hierarchical, etc.
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As a young girl growing up devoutly Catholic, it felt pretty hierarchical and monarchical to me. I don't think it's controversial to say the sex scandals would have been fewer had the Church been less hierarchical and lay people less unquestioning of priests' power.
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Replying to @ikuziemko @delong and
What I am saying is that "Many people who believe in problematic doctrine X have strategically embraced evil institution Y" does not imply "All believers in X are supporters of Y". Not only does this not follow, but this style of logic is incredibly pernicious.
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Few of us on this thread are saying that, so no need to shoot down that strawman. But as
@delong says, it is also ahistorical to minimize past/present prejudices of powerful groups (e.g., libertarians, who have an outsize influence, as you say) bc you want them on your side.3 replies 0 retweets 22 likes -
Replying to @ikuziemko @delong and
I have said, about a dozen times and will say again now, that many libertarians, perhaps even most, in the United States and certainly most who followed libertarian leaders were motivated by white supremacist ideas. So no disagreement there.
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Replying to @glenweyl @ikuziemko and
Nor would I deny that e.g. Barry Goldwater, who is in someways a hero of mine (and in others a villain), made a pact with white supremacists. As did Franklin Roosevelt, another person who I tremendously admire and also have mixed feelings about.
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Replying to @glenweyl @ikuziemko and
If I were you, I would delete that tweet African-American leaders thought FDR's contributions to American governance positive. African-American leaders did not think that of Goldwater's. FDR made Dem Party better. BG made Rep Party worse. False equivalence: never a good look...
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Replying to @delong @ikuziemko and
I think your assessment of Goldwater is too quick. He was central to the (ultimately losing) fight against the religious right move. He was a long-time funder of planned parenthood predecessor organizations and then of planned parenthood. He was a gay rights advocate.
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his record on race was straight up horrible. The way he pushed the party on many things was laudable. He was also never elected president (probably for the better), but if you had judged Roosevelt on what he ran on in 1932, your judgement would also be different on him.
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I’ll also add that it is easy to espouse libertarianism when you are born wealthy, as Goldwater was.
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I’m gonna pull an ad hominem card here.
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Replying to @kimmaicutler @ikuziemko and
Is that a yellow card or a red card?
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