Is there a theoretical world in which libertarianism /= white supremacy but the practical, real-world effect of libertarian policies over the last 40 yrs has been to extend white supremacy, given that different groups did not start out w/ equivalent resources & capital in the US
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Replying to @kimmaicutler
Kim-Mai, my claim was that libertarianISM=white supremacISM and thus libertIANS=white supremicISTS is a quasi-hate speech statement. What the actual implications of a doctrine are in the real world is complex and fraught question. Does socialism inevitably lead to Stalinism?
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Replying to @glenweyl @kimmaicutler
As a historical matter, the periods of greatest divergence between the income and social standing of whites and blacks in the United States since Independence were probably the Jacksonian period, Redemption period and post-War, pre-Civil Rights.
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Replying to @glenweyl @kimmaicutler
In fact the Jacksonian ideology and the post-War, pre-Civil Rights official ideology probably has more in common with the standard left than it does with average libertarianism.
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Replying to @glenweyl @kimmaicutler
Furthermore, the great majority of black and brown people (not to mention other non-whites) live outside of North America and Western Europe. The periods of greatest income and power divergence between non-whites and whites is clearly 1925-1975.
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Replying to @glenweyl @kimmaicutler
During this period, the prevailing ideology was Keynesian social democracy. Does this mean that Keynesian social democracy is, in practice, a ruse for white supremacy?
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Replying to @glenweyl @kimmaicutler
The historical period of greatest convergence, on average, between the incomes and standings of non-white people and white people has been, by far, 1980-today. During this period the prevailing ideology was neo-liberalism/libertarianism.
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Replying to @glenweyl
Given that much of these gains came from China, which used a combination of market-based reforms + soft authoritarianism & repression of human rights, is it accurate to primarily attribute this to libertarianism?
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Replying to @kimmaicutler
I did not attribute it primarily to that, though if you held me to a wall I would give libertarian openness to trade with China some causal role. But my main point is that getting into the business of historical associations as a basis for judging good faith is fraught.
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Replying to @glenweyl @kimmaicutler
I am just saying that if we get into the business of refusing to associate or collaborate with those who have affinities for doctrines which have during certain historical periods been used in problematic ways, we will find ourselves isolated even from ourselves.
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I do not personally refuse to associate/collaborate with certain groups, but I don’t fault people for making strategic choices about where to spend their time and energy based on who they perceive as genuinely persuadable to their POV. I am disappointed by it sometimes though.
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