Kim-Mai, my claim was that libertarianISM=white supremacISM and thus libertIANS=white supremicISTS is a quasi-hate speech statement. What the actual implications of a doctrine are in the real world is complex and fraught question. Does socialism inevitably lead to Stalinism?
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Replying to @glenweyl @kimmaicutler
As a historical matter, the periods of greatest divergence between the income and social standing of whites and blacks in the United States since Independence were probably the Jacksonian period, Redemption period and post-War, pre-Civil Rights.
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Replying to @glenweyl @kimmaicutler
It would be extremely hard to characterize the prevailing ideology of the first and third periods as libertarian, and probably pretty hard to do that for the second period.
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the people I know who have designed the largest scale content moderation systems for American technology companies generally prefer the framing of “threats” to the imprecision of “hate speech” as a term
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Replying to @kimmaicutler @glenweyl
but if we had to use that term, speech that falls under that term would prob also need to include causing actual harm, intent to cause harm, the speech inciting bad action beyond the speech itself and/or a context that makes a violent response possible
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Replying to @kimmaicutler @glenweyl
I don’t interpret Marshall as making that argument that libertarianism is more white supremacist than other ideologies. He seems to acknowledge that the New Deal also has these elements, in racializing access to homeownership finance via redlining
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Replying to @kimmaicutler @glenweyl
and excluding domestic, ag workers from NLRA among others. Maybe I am wrong, but it feels like non-libertarian US circles are more willing to engage in self-reflection about disparate outcomes while the ostensible color blindness of libertarianism literally blinds the movement
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Replying to @glenweyl
@GeeDee215 literally sent that to you five minutes ago in trying to have a conversation with you about maybe being a little naive about Charles Murray....?1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @kimmaicutler @GeeDee215
I know and what I am precisely saying is that this proves the point that there are a significant interesting group of libertarians engaging in precisely the dialog you mentioned
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It’s very new, very young and it took them disavowing Cato and Koch. I don’t know if they would say Charles Murray is not a white supremacist though. Should probably ask.
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Replying to @kimmaicutler @GeeDee215
Right, and what I have been arguing all along is that we should not write off people who are attracted in that direction because they are self-identified libertarians
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