We are hearing evidence related to Deeley's autism diagnosis and some of the features of disorder that stood out to Deeley. #AssangeTrial
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Lewis asked if depression could be alternative explanation for reduction in nonverbal communication. Deeley said Assange's mother, as well as Kopelman's interviews with people who have known Assange, helped form basis of diagnosis
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Lewis: But he fathered children and had relationships with women? Deeley: He has had very few lifelong friends and people who have befriended Assange all had to make allowances...accommodate odd aspects of "interpersonal functioning."
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Lewis: Yes but he's written books, given speeches, and hosted a "chat show." Deeley: "It's possible to both have a diagnosis of Asperger syndrome and to demonstrate expertise and be authoritative and knowledgeable when talking about certain topics."
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Lewis: You don't mention the fact that he has written or given speeches. Why do you simply always try to defend the position? Deeley: It's a summary judgment. I've noted the features are mild rather than marked.
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Lewis asked Deeley if he has an "autistic trait" because he is looking at ceiling and not making eye contact during cross-exam. And Deeley took this in stride saying he is taking in body language of judge and other parties in court
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Lewis asked if it is simply that Assange has elevated risk of suicide compared to "normal population of men." Deeley said no, he would "attache more weight to risk than that."
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Professor Mullen is unable to testify this afternoon. There is no witness after this one, and Baraitser is livid. Insisted Fitzgerald and defense team find someone to take the stand.
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Defense is re-examining Dr. Deeley. Deeley says the autism diagnosis was based on test administered, collateral interviews, case notes, psychiatric reports, and a 6-hour interview
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Fitzgerald returned to clips played from Frontline Club, and Deeley said he called Assange's remarks a "monologue" because it's "uninterrupted discourse over many minutes." He's acting as expert & inhabits "social realms, where he's granted a platform to do that."
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Baraitser says she wants to conclude proceedings on October 2. Fitzgerald rises to say he doesn't think that is possible given there's 14 witnesses for next week and also closing arguments.
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Lunch break. Mightily trying to see if Professor Seena Fazel, a medical expert, can take the stand this afternoon.
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Seena Fazel, a medical expert for the prosecution, is called to the witness stand at the Old Bailey.
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Fazel says Assange has capacity to "self-manage his risk and that to me is not consistent with the idea, the notion that his mental condition is so severe that he can’t resist suicide."
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Fazel is no expert but he suggests US prisons would offer standard assessment and treatment of mental health problems and even cognitive behavioral therapy.
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Fazel's diagnosis is that Assange has depression but not necessarily with "psychotic features."
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Defense is cross-examining Fazel. They immediately note he did not see Assange when he was most disturbed in December 2019.
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When Fazel assessed Assange, he was on medication and was no longer in segregation in hospital unit in Belmarsh
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Fitzgerald asked if US prison conditions, if he is convicted or sentenced, could it make a big difference in his risk of suicide. Fazel said it could but important to know what those conditions are.
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Fitzgerald asked Fazel about solitary confinement and what it may mean as far as increased risk of suicide. Fazel first said "some people may not have a poor reaction." Then he said if access to family, other forms of support were removed, he'd accept higher risk.
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Fazel consistently said it would be hard for him to draw a direct causal link between prison conditions and risk of suicide because there are "so many other factors that have to be considered."
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Fitzgerald described what conditions are like at ADX supermax prison in Colorado, where they think Assange could be confined. Fazel accepted if he had "bleak prospects" or indefinite/lengthy sentence it would increase the risk of suicide.
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Fitzgerald asked if Fazel could assess suicide risk of someone subject to SAMs in pretrial detention in US or someone confined in ADX Colorado. He clearly stated he is not an expert and couldn't give useful testimony.
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Fazel conceded that others with expertise on effects of confinement conditions on prisoners at ADX Colorado would be the ones to ask, not him.
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Fazel would only go so far as to agree that Assange had "autistic-like" traits. He did not diagnose Assange with autism but accepted Deeley was an expert capable of assessing Assange.
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On re-exam, the prosecutor read a section from Assistant US Attorney Gordon Kromberg's affidavit on conditions at ADX Colorado, to suggest this would reduce risk of suicide. He mentioned programs for prisoners, etc.
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Fazel, a prosecution witness, replied that he would have to know "to what extent are these implemented" and "what is the quality."
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Fazel noted range of activities that would reduce risk of suicide. "I would want to know more, whether they're implemented in practice and the quality of them. It needs to be supported by information on whether these happen and the quality of the interventions."
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We are on a break and there will likely be a witness statement entered into the record. Baraitser is adamant that more be done this afternoon
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Witness statement from Kate Humphreys, psychiatrist who produced a neuropsychological report on Assange, entered into court record. Thiis based on tests in Jan 2020 that were conducted on his cognitive health.
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Fitzgerald read it rather quickly, but conclusions were Assange had intellectual under functioning, his episodic memory was weak, struggled with task instruction, & attention & working memory were weak. Results came during heightened state of anxiety and depression.
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