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Data-plumber/word-baker: I think the unthinkable, the too-fiddly-to-think, and the too-thinkable-to-remember. B6BB 1706 A8AE 5E03 889C CF2F 5522 BB88 1468 8DF5

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    1. Eric Crampton‏ @EricCrampton Apr 27

      Eric Crampton Retweeted Robin Hanson

      Involuntary unemployment and involuntary celibacy have more in common than is generally recognised.https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/989535565895864320 …

      Eric Crampton added,

      Robin HansonVerified account @robinhanson
      Those w/ less access to sex plausibly suffer simiarly to those with low income, & might similarly hope to organize to lobby for redistribution along this axis. Strikingly, I see little overlap between those concerned about income & sex inequality. http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/04/two-types-of-envy.html …
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      4 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    2. stephen anthony lyon‏ @lyon_anthony Apr 27
      Replying to @EricCrampton

      ; you can't make someone like you, you can expect fair compensation for labour.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Eric Crampton‏ @EricCrampton Apr 27
      Replying to @lyon_anthony

      You can't make someone employ you.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
      Replying to @EricCrampton @lyon_anthony

      Virtually all employers would provide employment for money.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
      Replying to @keith_ng @EricCrampton @lyon_anthony

      Perhaps the reason there is no overlap re:campaigners is that employers are usually in a position of power, and instances where they have been coerced into employment is rare. Whereas women being coerced into sex is, ya know, the opposite of rare.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    6. Eric Crampton‏ @EricCrampton Apr 27
      Replying to @keith_ng @lyon_anthony

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      https://twitter.com/damienmgrant/status/990046163582599168?s=19 …

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    7. Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
      Replying to @EricCrampton @lyon_anthony

      I stand by my words exactly as I wrote them: this is rare, whereas women being coerced for sex is the opposite of rare.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
      Replying to @keith_ng @EricCrampton @lyon_anthony

      But add to it the moral substance of the two kinds of "coercion" are fundamentally very, very, very different.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
      Replying to @keith_ng @EricCrampton @lyon_anthony

      And that the conflation of the two in the original post - a conceit that I've brought into by taking this thread even half seriously - is spurious and offensive.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    10. Eric Crampton‏ @EricCrampton Apr 27
      Replying to @keith_ng @lyon_anthony

      Nope. Original was on involuntary unemployment and involuntary celibacy. You brought in coerced alternatives.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
      Replying to @EricCrampton @lyon_anthony

      Fair enough. But the proffered solution to unemployment is generally training/labour laws/subsidies, whereas the proffered solution of incel is "something something change society so women have no choice but to have sex with us".

      8:52 PM - 27 Apr 2018
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        2. Eric Crampton‏ @EricCrampton Apr 27
          Replying to @keith_ng @lyon_anthony

          Wasn't offering solutions!

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
          Replying to @EricCrampton @lyon_anthony

          You didn't have to though! The statement of the incel problem - "it's terrible that women won't have sex with us" - implies "...and we should make them" because that's what its proponents say. I'm saying that the casual *neglect* of that obvious implication is bad.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        4. Eric Crampton‏ @EricCrampton Apr 27
          Replying to @keith_ng @lyon_anthony

          Stop thinking solution space. Think rather on situation of person 5 years involuntarily in either scenario, what that does to that person, and what that does to potential for exit from that scenario.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
          Replying to @EricCrampton

          Sure, but if I thought about that, and considered them to be equally problematic (or even if I didn't), isn't the next step to think about the solution space?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
          Replying to @keith_ng @EricCrampton

          I mean, I could be a kleptomaniac and feel really frustrated and lacking in opportunities for self expression because it's illegal to steal, and we can consider my frustration without considering the solution space...

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Eric Crampton‏ @EricCrampton Apr 27
          Replying to @keith_ng

          Kelptomania is a little more rare

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Keith Ng‏ @keith_ng Apr 27
          Replying to @EricCrampton

          Heh. But the point is that a problem which inherently can only be solved by oppressing someone else is not really a legitimate problem in the sense of "hey maybe we should try to solve this".

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. Eric Crampton‏ @EricCrampton Apr 27
          Replying to @keith_ng

          Not all problems have solutions

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Economissive‏ @Economissive Apr 27
          Replying to @keith_ng @EricCrampton @lyon_anthony

          I can't believe I'm getting into this analogy which is the [insert your own adjective here up to the point where you get upset] I've heard in a long time...

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Economissive‏ @Economissive Apr 27
          Replying to @Economissive @keith_ng and

          Money can be used for the exchange of goods and services including sex. Sex is leisure and, therefore, less income. Lessening income inequality also provides people the means to buy anything else they want, including sex. OUT.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Tze Ming 'Low Expectations' Mok‏ @tzemingdynasty Apr 27
          Replying to @Economissive @keith_ng and

          I can't believe I scrolled all the way up, hoping this was still going to be about feijoas.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        5. Economissive‏ @Economissive Apr 27
          Replying to @tzemingdynasty @keith_ng and

          If there's one thing that's better than sex.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Eric Crampton‏ @EricCrampton Apr 27
          Replying to @Economissive @tzemingdynasty and

          Feijoas are very good but well ummm

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