Phil's historical document mentions major planets, secondary planets and minor planets. You're lumping major planets and secondary planets but leaving out minor planets as "planets." None of this includes the notion of "round." Also ignores the history of Ceres.
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Replying to @kchangnyt @LauraForczyk and
1/ That was just one of many publications throughout the past 400 years on this topic. Until the 1950s/60s, minor planets actually were considered a type of planet. This paper documents when & why consensus developed to put them in a separate category:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0019103518303063 …
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Replying to @DrPhiltill @kchangnyt and
2/ A preprint of that paper is available for free download, here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1805.04115.pdf …
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Replying to @DrPhiltill @kchangnyt and
3/ The paper shows that the community forged consensus to not treat asteroids as planets based on their small size, not because of their orbit sharing. No specific size limit was set, but Ceres was argued to be large enough to be a planet. (Vesta to a lesser degree.)
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Replying to @DrPhiltill @kchangnyt and
4/ So even though the community had decided in the 1960s that small bodies are not planets, we never forged a broad consensus on what the exact size limit is. We are *NOW* arguing (since ~2004?) that geological rounding is the size limit that is most taxonomically useful.
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Replying to @DrPhiltill @kchangnyt and
5/ The lower size limit issue has been percolating a long time. Even in the 1880s at least one highly respected astronomer was arguing that very small satellites like Mars’ moons should not be considered planets (while the larger moons should still be planets).
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Replying to @DrPhiltill @kchangnyt and
6/ It is *supposed* to be slow like this. Science is best when we argue over data and hold off making decisions until the data are overwhelmingly clear. This is why the vote in 2006 was so wrong. It cut off the real value of taxonomy in the scientific process.
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Replying to @DrPhiltill @LauraForczyk and
Eris had been discovered. What were you going to tell people? "We don't know how many planets there are or even what a planet is. We'll get back to you in a decade."
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Replying to @kchangnyt @DrPhiltill and
In the late 90s, early 2000s (Marsden attempting to give Pluto a minor planet #, the AMNH leaving out Pluto in its exhibit), I never once heard anyone say, "We should make a Ceres a planet again. We got that one wrong."
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Replying to @kchangnyt @DrPhiltill and
Simply Incorrect. I did. So did others Ken.
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I'm saying no one ever said that to me, which is unequivocally true. Please show me a news article of the time that quotes someone saying that. I heard much more about the injustice of demoting Pluto because it was discovered by an American.
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Replying to @kchangnyt @AlanStern and
Notably, in 2001, I wrote about Neil deGrasse Tyson demoting Pluto in the Rose Center, and Neil gave the example of Ceres as precedent.
@AlanStern said, ''It's absurd. The astronomical community has settled this issue. There is no issue."https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/22/nyregion/pluto-s-not-a-planet-only-in-new-york.html …1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes -
Replying to @kchangnyt @AlanStern and
You did NOT say, "Hell, actually, Ceres is a planet too. And really, all the round moons are too."
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