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Science reporter at the New York Times. Pluto, dinosaurs, NASA, viral math & more...

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    1. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 6 Aug 2019

      If you thought 8 ÷ 2(2+2) = ? was stupid and pointless, so did a lot of mathematicians.https://nyti.ms/2YKDk9f 

      160 replies 507 retweets 1,765 likes
    2. Kai‏ @burnowt 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @kchangnyt

      I agree it’s pedantic AF, but you shouldn’t soft-pedal a ‘both sides have their point’ argument because the ‘controversy’ is driven exclusively by ignorance. Professionals and higher ed consistently prescribe how to handle this. We really need to be on the same pg on this stuff.

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    3. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @burnowt

      If you read my essay, it’s exactly the professionals and higher ed who are exasperated by people slavishly using PEMDAS without understanding why or if it makes sense.

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    4. Kai‏ @burnowt 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @kchangnyt

      What are the reasons and why does it make sense? I'll admit I really don't know the answers to either of those, and I mainly use it out of convention so that I can figure out what a badly written bit of code will do. Your article doesn't get into that.

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    5. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 8 Aug 2019
      Replying to @burnowt

      The conventions of PEMDAS are fine and indeed essential for performing calculations. The equation in question is deliberately constructed to mislead people to do the "wrong" thing. There's no there there.

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    6. Kai‏ @burnowt 8 Aug 2019
      Replying to @kchangnyt

      That's great, but you really do have me wondering: WHY does PEMDAS make sense? You've raised the question (by pointing out our ignorance), so why did a bunch of STEM guys at some conference somewhere many, many years ago decide this was the way to go?

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    7. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 8 Aug 2019
      Replying to @burnowt

      It works by definition. If there were no pre-defined order of operations, you would have throw parentheses everywhere to show the intended order of operations. What PEMDAS does is simplify the notation.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Kai‏ @burnowt 8 Aug 2019
      Replying to @kchangnyt

      This is nice, but “It works by definition” is what we’ve basically been saying. You said we’re ignorant about why, so why did this become the definition and not something else?

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    9. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 8 Aug 2019
      Replying to @burnowt

      People settled on what proved generally useful given the most common equations. Someone has probably written a treatise on the history of PEMDAS. But that wasn’t what I was writing about.

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    10. Kai‏ @burnowt 8 Aug 2019
      Replying to @kchangnyt

      You said ppl didn't know why we use PEMDAS, and ppl said it's just convention. I was curious why, and you tweeted it's just definition. Potato/potato. What was the point of your article besides saying elites found the question boring and belittling those interested? @NYTScience

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      Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 9 Aug 2019
      Replying to @burnowt @NYTScience

      I don’t call anyone names. I don’t make fun of Rachel, the woman who asked her mathematician friend of it. I tried to explain there is no interesting math in the equation. I tried to explain what does make math useful/beautiful. I gave an example of a better math problem.

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