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    1. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 6 Aug 2019

      If you thought 8 ÷ 2(2+2) = ? was stupid and pointless, so did a lot of mathematicians.https://nyti.ms/2YKDk9f 

      160 replies 507 retweets 1,765 likes
    2. Alex Gura‏ @avgmdus 6 Aug 2019
      Replying to @kchangnyt @nytimes

      It's not a question for mathematicians: there is no math in it, only elementary-school level arithmetics. The answer is 16. If it were 8÷(2(2+2)) then the answer would be 1. Yes, it's that simple.

      7 replies 3 retweets 56 likes
    3. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 6 Aug 2019
      Replying to @avgmdus @nytimes

      If there were a rule that 2(4) had priority in the order of operations, would it make the calculation more interesting? No. No one writes the equation in this form, because it’s ambiguous. Write as a fraction, and there’s no ambiguity, and that’s a better option in every way.

      6 replies 0 retweets 31 likes
    4. David Barber‏ @DaveBarber78 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @kchangnyt @avgmdus @nytimes

      There is no ambiguity about this. Just a lot of people who don’t know the rules.

      2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
    5. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @DaveBarber78 @avgmdus @nytimes

      Why should you have to remember stupid rules for a simple calculation like this? If you meant 8 — (2 + 2) 2 that’s what you should have written. The other form is just meant as a gotcha by being intentionally ambiguous.

      5 replies 0 retweets 29 likes
    6. Langit biru sebiru hatiku‏ @saknisak 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @kchangnyt @DaveBarber78 and

      Ok, I found 3 type of answers 8÷2(2+2) = 1/8/16 It's depend on our perspective of the rule, lol 1> 8÷(2(2+2))=1 8> 8 (2+2) = 8 _ 2 16> 8 x (2+2) = 16 _ 2

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    7. David Barber‏ @DaveBarber78 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @saknisak @kchangnyt and

      For your answer to be 1, you would need the outer pair of parentheses to be there. But they’re not there, are they?

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    8. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @DaveBarber78 @avgmdus @nytimes

      Ok, let's try this. How would you calculate 8 ÷ 2a, where a=4? In algebra, 2a is a factor that sticks together, so you'd have 8 -- = 1 2a This is why you never see ÷ in algebra.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. David Barber‏ @DaveBarber78 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @kchangnyt @avgmdus @nytimes

      8/2a=16 8 -- = 1 2a In the second equation the 2a is understood to have parentheses around it by the notation it was written in. When writing on a single line, you need to be aware of the need for parentheses when you intend things to be done in a certain order.

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      Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 7 Aug 2019
      Replying to @DaveBarber78 @avgmdus @nytimes

      Yeah, but now you're just making up stuff ("understood") as you go along. The point is that it's not unreasonable to interpret 8 ÷ 2a as 8 -- 2a which, again, is why you don't use ÷ when learning algebra.

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        2. David Barber‏ @DaveBarber78 7 Aug 2019
          Replying to @kchangnyt @avgmdus @nytimes

          I’m with you that it’s unconventional, but substitute the divide sign with a slash, and would you make the same argument? And no I’m not making that up. Maybe understood isn’t the right word but if there aren’t parentheses there, you can’t just imagine there because u want to.

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        3. Kenneth Chang‏ @kchangnyt 7 Aug 2019
          Replying to @DaveBarber78 @avgmdus @nytimes

          Of course you can. If it’s set up as fraction, that is EXACTLY what happens. There are implied parentheses around the denominator. Just as you’re imagining parentheses around 8 ÷ 2.

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        1. David Barber‏ @DaveBarber78 7 Aug 2019
          Replying to @kchangnyt @avgmdus @nytimes

          Actually understood is the right word. Because I put it in the denominator on purpose to illustrate my point.

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