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Game Producer. Outcomes are not deterministic they are probabilistic.

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    1. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

      Here's a thread on what conspired in the SF Tech Elite vs DA thread for those that missed it.

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    2. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

      The intention was to have a discussion on why the tech group is leaving SF. Started by @michelletandler and her friend @micsolana. They expected 20-30 of their friends to show up. Michelle's hosting a CH room for the first time.

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    3. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

      Issues were being discussed. Crime, City, happenings. A lot of the panelists including @cyantist, @zebulgar @AnnieUle discussed why SF is great and they don't want to leave but seem forced to.

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      Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

      Lots of people joined. At one point over 3000. Issues were numerous but the focus was on Crime and taking specific incidents. @NancyTungSF who ran for DA and subsequently lost to @chesaboudin came up on the show and eloquently put point forward and addressed questions.

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        2. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Michelle then adds Chesa to the discussion and things get heated. Chesa might have been a personal friend to Michelle or wanted to address issues. Let's go with the best intention.

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        3. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Chesa enters a room against a political opponent and two adversial tech questioners, fields questions but launches into an excellent soliloquy about the problems SF faces and why it's hard for him to be effective.

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        4. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Given best intentions, I believe Chesa was saying that antiquated systems, tons of red tape, antiquated procedures are large problems SF faces. In effect saying I'm trying but it's not just me why SF is broken.

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        5. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          He's been at the position for 1 year and a few months. He is excellent at putting points forward. Room goes silent while he speaks. But then a few points are raised by @micsolana and @zebulgar as well as @NancyTungSF on where he personally failed and could have done better.

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        6. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          He doesn't address it directly but still addresses two or three cases (and talks about conditions surrounding the cases) while explaining like a lawyer would why these cases are complicated and its not an easy judgement.

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        7. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          It's at this point that opinions turn massively (as well as all the Twitter threads popup) where everyone starts saying Chesa is running from issues and is a smooth talker but not effective.

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        8. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Balaji enters the discussion, takes a specific case on how a citizen reported being sexually assaulted and in quotes the attacker says "the police won't do anything". He asks Chesa how would you have addressed this? Is the person guilty. Chesa doesn't directly reply.

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        9. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Another turning point where it seems like evasion is a theme and maybe it's a public forum so backlash would be swift hence Chesa has to be a diplomat? It's hard to tell but given the benefit of the doubt to both sides.

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        10. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Hard questions were asked, satisfactory answers weren't received.

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        11. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          The moderators struggle to field many hands being raised and a lot of people who want to join the discussion. Chesa exits after that question and claims Nancy is speculative. Nancy stays in the discussion to clarify that.

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        12. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          The discussion continues but everyone's unhappy the questions and a "way forward" in this extremely detailed but difficult lay of the land isn't clear.

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        13. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          An important oversight but not intended was not having all communities participate, especially the Black community who are integral to this discussion.

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        14. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Another clubhouse group popups which is titled, "The future of SF really means make SF more white". Powerful discussions are being held there about how the front line workers and people who do a lot of the work day to day weren't invited to talk and express issues.

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        15. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Karthick Retweeted EricaJoy

          This tweet by @EricaJoy explains the cruxhttps://twitter.com/EricaJoy/status/1349952552096260097?s=20 …

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          EricaJoyVerified account @EricaJoy
          there were no Black people in that clubhouse conversation about the “future of SF” and nobody speaking in the conversation said a word about it. y’all, i beg of you, please stop accepting no Black people as the norm. please stop leaving it to Black people to point it out.
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        16. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Issues regarding safety for everyone not just tech/white people, empathy to the homeless, cops helping and working with kids in youth detention centers, medical workers are all important issues that could have been discussed in the original room.

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        17. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          and here's my opinion:- The structure of the first club house was loosely defined, the speakers weren't prepared for the way the events would unfold, I can't speak on their behalf but I will assume the best intention was to help address and fix SF not just cater to their needs.

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        18. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          some conclusions - Voting the right people in. - It isn't just tech people that have problems - It requires coordinated planning. Two important questions are, "Where does the buck stop?" "How can it be effective?

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        19. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          That's vast generalizations but there were many many issues and highlights brought up. It's hard to put all of it (this thread is paraphrased too).

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        20. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Discussions then are taken up again in the third Clubhouse event (a great show by @sriramk on Good times where they discuss issues in tech every night at 10 pm PST) where they invite @agarwal to speak on the issues.

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        21. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          In that discussion, the ever eloquent @stevesi and @pmarca say that similar issues arise in Seattle too, it's not one citys problem. What can be done? The optimist, Sachin, says he believes and a major issue is the voting numbers. A 100 (1000?) votes can make a difference.

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        22. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Sachin, btw, runs @growsf that wants to build SF and fix a lot of the problems. They address many issues.

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        23. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Unfortunately I reached thread limit, but here's more in the third room discussion. Marc questions the data being fed into the Citizen app that Sachin recommends. He says if the systems are antiquated (Chesa mentions using DOS and windows etc in data and no data guy)

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        24. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Sachin agrees that's a valid point and that's one of the things he's building towards which is getting better Data into the system.

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        25. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          A lot of this is paraphrased and not verbatim. However I tried to show points that I understood from both sides.

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        26. Karthick‏ @kageman Jan 15

          Twitter threads are broken but I would love to see a panel with a lot more voices like @pmarca, @balajis, @chesaboudin, @EricaJoy, @agarwal, @NancyTungSF @kimmaicutler @DNas (and other relevant people you think should be there) with better moderation facilities @pdavison

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