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CTO @docker. Security, open source, cloud native, Noise protocol, LinuxKit, containers, unikernels, @CloudNativeFdn TOC

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    Justin Cormack‏ @justincormack 29 Mar 2018

    "if on Linux, PANIC" https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/CAMsr%2BYE5Gs9iPqw2mQ6OHt1aC5Qk5EuBFCyG%2BvzHun1EqMxyQg%40mail.gmail.com#CAMsr+YE5Gs9iPqw2mQ6OHt1aC5Qk5EuBFCyG+vzHun1EqMxyQg@mail.gmail.com …

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      1. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 29 Mar 2018
        Replying to @justincormack

        How long until the apologists for Linux's nonsense fsync realize you can just spam fsync() (maybe even just sync()?) to eat the error and prevent processes that care from *ever* seeing it?

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      1. Gil Tene‏ @giltene 30 Mar 2018
        Replying to @justincormack

        Let’s see if I’ve got this right: Anyone running a sync command on Linux can cause all others on the system to fail to detect filesystem corruption when it happens. And it’s Meltdown that people were worried about?

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      1. GW OCKHUIZEN‏ @gwothink 30 Mar 2018
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        Oh yeah Linux is nonsense. Yeah. Right. Really?

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      1. Jatin Jhala‏ @JatinJhala 30 Mar 2018
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        I remember having to tell some database developers long time ago that rows have to be updated in a table and its indexes atomically! 😮

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      2. Courtney Allen‏ @taekicks 30 Mar 2018
        Replying to @justincormack @allanjude

        I’m not sure I understand...is this issue specific to fsync() on Linux everywhere?

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      3. Chris Watson‏ @bsdunix44 30 Mar 2018
        Replying to @taekicks @justincormack @allanjude

        I believe so, I think there may be a couple of outlier distros but mainly, yes.

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      2. Garrett D'Amore‏ @gedamore 30 Mar 2018
        Replying to @justincormack

        wtf.... another bit of brilliant design!

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      3. Roman V Shaposhnik‏ @rhatr 30 Mar 2018
        Replying to @gedamore @justincormack

        y'all don't get - just like Nature, Linux isn't intelligent design, it is a product of a blind watchmaker.

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      1. Stephen Usher‏ @bulletford 30 Mar 2018
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        JFS is *FAR* worse as fsync success means nothing as the kernel disk cache never gets flushed fully until the file system is unmounted. I’ve discovered this to my horror and pain after data loss due to a power outage on system with large memory. FS not flushed in months.

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      2. John-Mark Gurney  🗑️ 🔥‏ @encthenet 30 Mar 2018
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        I don't think the BSDs are any better. Cached writes and the buffer system make it hard to return errors. That's why databases are suppose to use raw devices, not file systems.

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